Gay facts and statistics for 2011 and 2012. I round up statistics from around the web so you don’t have to. I keep this post up to date.
Gay Marriage Facts
States where gay marriage is legal:
- Massachusetts (2004)
- Connecticut (2008)
- Iowa (2009)
- Vermont (2009)
- New Hampshire (2010)
- Washington, D.C. (2010) (not a state)
- New York (2012)
- Washington (2012)
States That Recognize Out-of-State Gay Marriages:
- California (only if the marriage is from before Proposition 8 was passed)
Gay Marriage Support
Should gays an lesbians be allowed to marry?
- 43% say yes.
- 47% say no.
- 10% are unsure.
Statistics Source: Pew Research Center.
Gays in the Military:
Should those who do not disclose their orientation be allowed to serve?
- 83% support it.
- 14% do not.
- 3% unsure
Should those who do disclose their orientation be allowed to serve?
- 17% say yes.
- 21% say no.
- 2% are unsure.
Statistics Source: The Polling Report.
Demographics
The 2000 census did not count gay marriages directly, so the following are estimates based on how people reported their household. It counts households with 2 members of the same sex that are unrelated. 2010 census information on gay couples has not yet been compiled.
- Total Number of Gay Couples: 594,391
- Number of People in a Couple: 1.2 Million
- State With the Most Couples: California (92,138)
- State With the Least Couples: North Dakota (703)
- Highest Concentration of Gay Couple (% of all couples): Washington, D.C. (1.29%)
- Lowest Concentration of Gay Couples (% of all couples): North and South Dakota (.22%)
Gay people make up 1-4% of the population in most cities, but are more concentrated in metropolitan areas.
Most Same Sex Couples by City:
- New York, NY: 47,000
- Los Angeles, CA: 12,000
- Chicago, IL: 10,000
Statistics Source: 2000 Census.
Highest LGBT Concentration by Major Metropolitan City
- San Francisco, CA: 15.4%
- Seattle, WA: 12.9%
- Atlanta, GA: 12.8%
Statistics Source: 2000 Census.
Florida Statistics
Since I live in Florida, I want to add that Florida still doesn’t offer gay marriage or a state-wide domestic partnership registration. Many who want to raid a family are looking to get a second parent adoption in Florida as well. Check out my blog for more general information on Florida domestic partnerships.
Maryland’s attorney general issued an opinion in 2010 saying the state could also recognize gay marriages from other jurisdictions. Add MD to the list!
Homosexuality is a mental disorder. What makes sense about putting a Penis into a hole meant for fecal matter, and then the other gender is left without any Penis, just plastic objects that are shaped like Penis’
If its a mental disorder, go find proof, and if you can’t find proof.
Find the cure. Then talk.
And what makes any sense?
Homosexuality is a mental disorder? Join a UCC O&A church buddy. I’m gay and don’t have a “mental disorder” Get your facts straight. It’s the way you are. Just like you have brown eyes or blonde hair, people are gay and bi. Stop being homophobic.
ARE YOU PRIEST RYAN..I, HOPE NOT………………’CAUSE IF YOU IT SHOULD MAKE GOOD CATHOLICS ALL WONDER WHAT WAS MEANT BY JESUS, AND HIS MOTHER MARY WHEN THEY SAY “SUFFER ALL THE LIL CHILDREN UNTO ME
>Raymond. The Catholic church has done nothing but get caught with there robes around there ankles. I am not gay personally but I do believe that being gay is NOT a choice or a Mental disorder. I believe people are born gay just like your born a male or female. The last thing anyone should say is that gays are BAD and that the Catholic church is good. Just follow the Cardinals trails of candy and see if that candy is all you get put in your mouth.,…
ALL people that have a problem with homosexuality should take a look at thereselves first. In the bible it states ” god has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings” (Acts 17:26) meaning we are all descendants of adam and that were all created by the hand of god.
If “putting a penis into a hole meant for fecal matter” doesn’t make sense to you ask one of your “straight” male friends or even females why they enjoy partaking in that activity during sex. If most people would answer honestly when asked about sex envolving the anus you’d find it is just as common for homosexuals as it is for straight people.
I would suggest you research this topic or very well any topic before making such a bold comment or opinion. If something in a calculus class doesnt make sense to you, does that make it wrong? or does it make you and idiot? Apply yourself to actually learning about something before labeling it, or you’ll find yourself labelled just as easily.
It is apparent to me that you have very little knowledge about this topic, and that is why your argument lacks in meaning and comes from something that has very little to do with being homosexual.
I would almost rather listen to someone argue about being gay and how its wrong in the bible because they at least have something to say with a little substance, or something that at least took some thought.
Even still i dont agree that either of the reasonings, be it the technicalities of intercourse or an interpretation of a book, are a true arguement for the way someone feels about another person.
Can you help it that you are atracted to the opposite sex? can you turn that natural feeling off? Until the day comes when you can honestly answer yes to those questions, please do not judge that of which you do not understand, or know anything about.
I agree fully with you!!!! You go AP
Ditto:)
I love this! I am not homosexual but i totally argee.
You disgust me. It is not a mental disorder, nor shall it ever be. It is a freedom.
It says so in the declaration of independence- the unalienable rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, so these people have no right whatsoever to take the freedom of the pursuit of happiness from gays and lesbians. In addition, gay marriage doesn’t hurt anyone! It doesn’t kill anyone or make them feel unsafe, excepting homophobics. I would hope that the supreme court reads this and realizes they should do something about this.
hey genius, idk if you knew this but homosexuality spreads diseases dangerous to the general public. with that being said your alleged “rights” are dangerous. goodbye rights.
Maybe you should check yourself, too. Homosexuality doesn’t spread dangerous diseases; unprotected sex with an infected person does. Granted, the homosexual community had a huge scare from HIV and AIDS in the 1980s, 90s, and still today. However, some people got infected from tainted blood transfusions that didn’t come from a homosexual at all or from sharing needles that weren’t sterilized between uses. Those three major origins of the spread of AIDS have infected nearly every demographic in the US alone. Additionally, heterosexual couples can spread STDs just as easily as homosexual couples can. Chlamydia is far more prevelent in females while Syphilis is more common in males. STDs are not sexual orientation discriminate. So, based on your claim that “dangerous” rights should be revoked, anyone infected with an STD is a danger to society and therefore has no rights. Well, what about the innocent babies that are born to HIV positive women? Some of those babies are born with HIV. They never had a chance. Does that mean that they shouldn’t have the same rights as their HIV negative siblings or friends? What about the rape victim who suddenly finds out that they have been infected with Syphilis? Have they done any wrong that should deprive them of their rights? When it comes down to it, people who become infected with an STD are victims. Yes, they should have been more careful and used a condom. You don’t revoke the rights of a stage-4 lung cancer patient because they made a choice to smoke all their life. You can’t take away the rights of anyone and everyone on the sole premise that they are are infected with a disease.
Dude you are a very big idiot retard Homosexuality has nothing to do with the spread of diseases, the HIV-AIDS came here from another country spread by a straight man. If you knew anything or knew how to do any research you would know facts before saying things you know nothing about, and further more you would also know that diseases are much higher in straight men then gay.
I think you are very simple minded and you should rethink your statment. You will only get STDs from a homosexual if you have sex with them. I got to say people like you disappoint me because you only care about your own happiness SHAME ON YOU!!
My question for you Dre is then how many straight men have mental disorders? There are a lot of straight men that want to do almost the same thing. Some even want sodomy done to them during sexual relations. Do straight men that enjoy sodomizing women have mental disorders also?
Yes they have mental disorders too, for anyone whom willingly shmears poop anywhere on their body is a sicko.. eww, gross!
Homosexuality is a demonic spirit. It is a spirit that was created by Satan himself. God is a God of order and righteouness! He created Adam and Eve! A man and a woman. He did it that way so that we as human beings could reproduce and repopulate the Earth. Any same sex relationship is an unproductive relationship. Everything God created was created to PRODUCE!!! IF YOU CANNOT PRODUCE IT IS NOT WHAT GOD INTENDED!! Yes no sin is greater than the other! But there are somethings God deemed as an abomination! The bible says for mankind to lay with mankind is an abomination-Thou shalt not lay with mankind as with womankind: it is an abomination. Leviticus 18:22 So GOD IS NOT PLEASED WITH GAY RELATIONSHIPS!! SORRY!! PLEASE REPENT ACCORDING TO ACTS 2:38 AND BE DELIVERED FROM THAT FOWL SPIRIT AND YOU CAN BE SAVED!
demonic spirit? i dont see God infecting people with demonic spirits that make them crave homosexual relations, nor do i believe that God has the same ideals for us as he had in Biblical times. The Bible says that for cheating on your husband, the woman and the man she cheated with should be stoned at the gates of the city. do you think God would have us do this today? the Bible was written by Man for Man and it was written a long time ago. you cant expect everything to be exactly to God’s liking then or now.
Spiritually speaking, God did not infect people with demonic spirits and DeMario didnt say that he did. Satan does those things. Also God has the exact same ideals as he had before the beginning of time. He is unchanging. That was the punishment in the old testament for cheating on your spouse yes. But then Jesus came, not invalidating the Law of Moses. But making it not necessary for the punishments to still be enacted due to the fact that Jesus bore our punishments for us on the cross. God still feels the same way about the sin as he ever has though…Also on another note…Christians, true Christians don’t hate gay people, we view it as a sin, equal to any other sin in the eyes of God. But that does not mean we support it. Let me try and explain…If somebody lied, lied all the time, and said that they were telling the truth that wouldn’t change the fact that they were liars and we as Christians would not support it. In the same way just because some people incorrectly believe that they are homosexual it does not make us hate them but we will not ever support it.
So what about the people in the world that fall in love with someone of the opposite sex but do not wish to have children? are they just as much an “abomination” as gays? just because people choose to live their life a certain way gives you no right to patronize anyone.what if everyone in the world chose to like same sex. and YOU were weird for liking an opposite sex. put yourself in their shoes and pull your head out.
Well, if everyone in the world chose to like the same sex, then humanity would perish… Although it might work on the small scale, humanity can’t continue on test-tube babies alone! But I do admit, that’s a good point about the heterosexuals who don’t want to have children. Although I still have to stick with “Demario” on this debate. Nature requires reproduction. With a completely heterosexual world, humanity would still survive. In a completely homosexual world, mankind would die out. However if you want to use the “what right do you have to say what’s natural” card, then I have two responses. If you believe in Creationism, then like “Demario” stated, it’s put quite clearly in the Bible. But if you believe in Evolution, then we share a common ancestor to the apes in the animal kingdom, and in the animal kingdom “natural” sexual intercourse is between a male and female species. I do not condemn people for being gay or lesbian, however I do not believe it to be natural. (meaning I do not believe they were born homosexual)
if everyone in the world liked the same sex they’d breed out in one generation and the straight person wouldn’t be weird anymore:)
Did it ever occur to you that the bible was just a made up story like superman because it’s all it sounds like to me maybe someone just needed some entertainment and decided to become obsessed like the people who are into comic books, being gay isnt something you control, a gay person can try as hard as they can to be straight but it’s never going to satify them
Although apes are heterosexual, wolves are not always so. Wolves mate for life and often two strong women in the pack will “mate” and this is completely natural. Just some food for thought.
If the bible and Christianity are truly mythical why is it that gay people are fighting so hard to be married under a god that does not accept them? Marriage is a religious practice. I have no problem with gay people, i believe they should do what makes them happy, but as long as they continue to try and intertwine their sexual orientation with other people’s faith they will never gain acceptance. Soon we will have to choose between our religion and these people, and my choice is clear… God.
This is a reply to Christine.
The problem is that gay people are not always trying to intertwine their sexual orientation with someone’s faith. Sure there are instances where they are, but there are many instances where they are not. Like me for example. I am atheist, I do not believe in anything, but I still want to get married. I do not see marriage as anything religious anymore. Marriage has become a legal contract, now if they adopted it from a religion originally, then so be it, that does not imply what it means today.
Marriage is an institution that is run and regulated by the U.S government, just making the argument from the U.S at the moment. Given that marriage grants more rights than a civil union, it is the preferable thing for all couples to get. Since the U.S practices freedom of religion, which does translate to freedom from religion as well, then denying marriage rights to a minority because a certain denomination of religion claims that gay marriage violates the tenets of their religion is actually a form of religious discrimination. Now in the case where religion was solely behind marriage and it was a religious contract that offered nothing more than the religious bond, and that the government ran civil contracts for all couples, removing marriage from their equation, then I would gladly support marriage staying within the religion. But as it is in the current state, so entangled into secular organizations, it is a freedom that all should have because it has partially lost it’s religious meaning.
John, did you know that homosexuality has been observed in about 1,500 animals, including the dwarf chimpanzee, which happens to be humanity’s closest living relative? How is the not natural?
DeMario I understand in the bible this is written and I see your view point but first of all the bible has been rewritten several hundred thousand times which in my opinion makes it less reliable because of all the stuff taken out of it, so the original texts are lost to us. Secondly I find the bible is further more irrellivent in this matter or any other matter of the heart. I also think there should never be a law or regulation when it come to lovers or any love in general. And thirdly I have to ask you, who are you to judge others when others do not have the right to judge you in turn for your holier then thou, idiotic, judge mental statement . Because to me you statement not only offends me but it also disgusts as well because you think you have the right to judge others where judgement is not only unwanted but also unneeded.
I’ am also extreamly sickened by you because I’ m just as religios as you but I do not judge other nor do I proceed to not only shove my torah in your face but down your wind pipe to make you choke on it as well. So I’ d like to remind you that before you judge others not only should you research and learn more about the subject first but also look your self in the mirror and expect those who you judge to judge you in turn.
God also considers masturbation a deadly sin. Stop masturbating.
Where in the bible does it say, “homosexuals are going to hell?”
Not only that but NOWHERE in ANY bible does it talk about lesbianism. So tell me sir, is god only homophobic against gay men? Well you wouldn’t know so shut your jesus freak mouth and live and let live.
In Romans 1:26-27 it states: 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
This is clear about women having sexual relations with women, and men with men.
Many people on this site keep saying to quit judging, etc. yet they themselves speak very rudely and judgementally toward those who support the Bible and God (eg. ‘shut your jesus freak mouth and live and let live’). Wouldn’t supporting the ‘live and let live’ viewpoint entail that one would respect and avoid name-calling of those who don’t share one’s set of values?
Somethings to chew on.
Leviticus 18:22, 20:13, Romans 1:26-27 Those are a few scriptures where it talks about homosexuality. Us Christians aren’t the judges of people but God is and everyone in the end will have to stand before God and he will be judged. We just want as many people to go to Heaven as we can because we are to Love are neighbors. God wants to spend eternity with us that is why he sent his son Jesus to die on the cross for us so we could be forgiven of ours sins. Because we all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. And for those of you who are Aeithist even though you might not believe in God he still believes in you and wants you to know there is hope for you after we die instead of what. That we just don’t exsist after we die because if that’s the case then what’s the point of living. Jesus loves you!
Excuse me, but who do you think you are? Let me point a few things out to you bud. First of all the Bible was written by MEN NOT GOD. Second of all, it was translated by MEN, people who make mistakes and lie (yes, even monks and nuns lie because they are human!) For all we know the origional copies of the books of the Bible could be totally different from what we’ve heard. Am I a Christian? Yes, but I don’t believe everything I read in the Bible. Why? Because there are things in there that say things like if a woman is raped she must marry the man that raped her. Do you believe that is the way things should be? It was the LAW back then, so who’s to say that it wasn’t just some ones OPINION that gay relationships are wrong. Third of all, being gay is not a choice. Did you choose to be straight? No, you just were. Oh and saying someone is going to hell for being gay is like saying that everyone who likes the color purple is going to hell; IT DOESN”T MAKE SENSE AND IT MAKES YOU LOOK IGNORANT! Try to have a little more depth to your arguments and next time you wanna say something against the gay population post the actual verse. I don’t know what god you’re worshipping, but the God that I worship loves everyone.
Audrey, calm down girl! God does love everyone but that doenst mean he condones what they do. Also on another note do you as a christian believe that an all powerful God would let men (measly pathetic little men) not write down exactly what he wanted them to say? think about it and get back to me
This is a note for Kriss. I am not a very religous person, I can’t quote versus from the bible or anything of that nature but I’m sure you yourself could refer to the correct text in your bible. Your argument that an all powerful god would not let men write down anything other than what he wanted to say isn’t supported by any means. I refer to god’s greatest gift of free will, which I remind you is what allows people from other relegions to WRITE down their own religious text such as the quran. Because of free will I could edit the bible in such a way that replaced the word god for devil and vice versa, I’m not saying that I would, just that free will allows anyone to do anything they would like without fear of reprisal from god in this life.
you’re an f-ing rude person and u need to keep ur opinions to urself!!!!! You have no right telling that to people and if ur so agaisnt it then why the fuck are u on this site!!!!!!!!!
DeMario, religious kooks like you are what give religious people bad names. No where, NO WHERE in the bible does it say HATE PEOPLE FOR BEING GAY. It says to treat them as anyone else and that God says it’s an abomination. That doesn’t make it true. Did he personally tell you that himself? I guarantee you’ve sinned many times. Why should gays be singled out on just this one issue? You need to learn to be open minded and to have an open-heart and treat others with respect. You acting like this is completely disrespectful to anyone who has a different opinion than yourself.
I agree. I think people give GOD a bad name by saying he hates gay people when it DOES in fact occur naturally in the animals kingdom. Are those animals gonna go to hell? No. Will gay/lesbian/bi/transgender people go to hell? No. Good job for voicing your opnion, Holly (name sister!) and I hope more people voice theirs too. Homophobia is a global problem that needs to stop.
I don’t speak for the whole gay community in this message, but rather for myself, just so everyone knows.
First off, homosexuality is a natural thing in the animal kingdom, natural meaning that it does occur without some sort of other interference. Is it the predominant sexual behavior in animal species? No. Will it ever be? Maybe, but probably not. But that itself does not mean that it is not natural. And likewise in human culture, it is not the predominant nature, so it directly mirrors many animal creatures in that regard.
Also, if God is all powerful and knows everything that ever was, is, and will be, then why did he allow gay people to walk the earth? Just a question to all of you theists. Now what is the response? Is he simply testing the gay people, to see if we have the power to resist these urges, if we have the power to rid ourselves of the sin? now honestly, I don’t understand that in any way. It’s like shoving a cookie down a dog’s throat and then punishing the dog for eating the cookie.
Thirdly, I don’t understand why I would be condemned to an eternity of hell for a finite amount of time spent sinning. If you look at it logically, that doesn’t make sense. If you take the limit, mathematically speaking, then you will find that our time spent on earth accounts for 0% of our entire life. So why does that 0% of my life account for whether I spend 100% of my life in hell or 100% of my life in heaven? It’s illogical and and is simply an arbitrary decision.
Lastly, I am an atheist. I do not believe in any damn religion. And I am sorry if I come off as insincere in this part of the post. I do not care for the beliefs of Christians, or any other religions, and given that statement, I don’t care if I am going to suffer in your hell or suffer an eternity of damnation. I do not want to be saved by your religion, I do not want to revoke this sin. I want to be left alone and be allowed by a government, which under the constitution is secular, and thus has no right to prohibit marriage of any kind, to marry another gay man, when the time comes. If that is blasphemy in your mind, and if I am destroying the country, then develop another nation that is only Christian and bar out those that are not acceptable and live a happy life. Otherwise, get the fuck out of my life and I promise I will stay out of your’s.
Also sorry to Demario. Not all of this was in response to you necessarily, but the main premise was, so I went with it, because it was easier.
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It’s true that homosexual people can’t reproduce with one another, but I don’t believe that it’s not what “God” wanted. Obviously, some people can’t reproduce regardless of their sexual orientation. Does it make people bad if they can’t reproduce because of a disease? I understand your religious views, and that’s your opinion, but I honestly don’t believe that if someone can’t reproduce it’s not what God intended. The bible says god loves all of his children, so he must love his gay ones as well. My knowledge of the bible is kind of rusty, since I myself, am and Atheist, but I know the basic principals. Sexual preferences are instinctive. God created instincts, right? In my opinion, people are allowed to prefer whatever you want. It’s salt to pepper, essentially.
hey i agree with u because i am one of those people who cant have kids because of a disease i was born with its not treatable and it sucks but i am also gay and found a women who loves me and i love her to and we found out that even though we would have to find a sperm doner we can have kids the doctor would mix our dna to form one egg we would both be the mother biologically so yes we can reproduce but did n e one ever think about all the babies out there with no one to love and care for them maybe god did put gays on earth so we could give a special litlle baby i home with a loving parents weither the parents r the same sex or not i dnt believe in god but maybe there is a higher power that put us gay people here
Do you realize that in the same section of the bible he goes on to say that children who disobey their parents shall be put to death and that woman who are not virgins on their wedding day shall be dragged to her fathers house and stoned to death… now does anyone do that … maybe in the middle east but not here in the united states that was founded on the basis of being able to practice any form of religon freely and yes we can not produce children but we still can raise a child like our own just because guess what we have thousands of children here in the UNITED STATES starving on the streets and being sold because guess what people who are able to reproduce do not have the sense to raise a child … would you rather Have a child dying on the streets because its mother was a junkie who didn want them or would you rather see that same child grow up knowing they are love and feed and taken care of so they can go on and live their lives and contribute to society. Now I am sure you will pull some bible line out your ass but I love god and I love men no where in the bible does it say i need to choose so if you are to blind or ignorant to see whats in front of you i pitty you for your stupidity now go on to church and pray your local preist is not in the back with the alter boy …..
I have had a lifetime of being chassed down by bible thumping people so I am sorry if I do not put much faith in any form of church/organized religion. I know there is a god there is no need for me to go to church to be closer to him. Sorry if i stepped on anyones toes about this but I just think its is absolute bullshit that the catholic church and condem me but the preists that mollest people uhum (ME) so i am sorry if i stepped on any catholic douche bags with what I have said I learned the hard way the “MEN” of god are not perfect and some are even more evil then being homosexual. because when someone who is scarred about being gay who goes to a preist to see how he feels and have that happen to me is enough to say FUCK THE CATHOLIC CHURCH and all who defend these sad excuses for men
We have to remember that in the Old Testament before Jesus came to earth to die for our sins the people were to carry out the punishment but in the New Testament of the Bible Jesus died for our sins so that we wouldn’t have to. Because we all are sinners and fall short of the Glory of God.
Okay, all your hateful rhetoric aside, I just have two points to make.
1. If God created everything with the ability to produce, then why do infertile females and males exist? And, if the sole purpose of marriage is to have couples produce children, then why do some couples never have or can’t have childre, and why are post-menapausal women allowed to remain married? They can no longer produce children, and they aren’t caring for their children as a provider anymore.
2. As long as you are quoting the Bible, how’s this: “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices in truth. It always protects, always trust, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.” I Corinthians 13:4-8 NIV. Now, in my education, which was ten years of Christian education, mind you, I was taught that “love” could be replaced with “God.” How can a God that embodies everything good and decent and proper and, well, LOVING condemn someone on who they chose to love, someone that God enabled them to love. “So God created man in his own image…and he saw that it was very good.” Genesis 1:27, 31 NIV. Every human being came from Adam and Eve, and thus, every human being is created in God’s image, and they are good. How then can a homosexual man or woman be an “abomination” if they are in God’s image? Just like any heterosexual, a homosexual can cheat on his or her partner or have a life-long, committed relationship filled with love and respect. In the end, we are all just people, and we don’t have a right to judge others. Jesus said, “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” Matthew 7:5 NIV.
Dear Author AS,
As a Christian, I apologise for all the “hateful rhetoric”. I agree with you that this is unacceptable. I also agree with all the Scripture you’ve quoted. God loves EVERYONE unconditionally. When He created the world, everything WAS good. Unfortunately we’ve been degenerating ever since, and ALL of us are flawed. I am ashamed on behalf of those Christians who self-righteously shout down another person, when each of us is damaged. That is why God says “judge not, that you be not judged,” and “as you judge, so shall you be judged”. He is the only one who has all the facts on each individual and knows exactly how they tick. How we are now is not His ideal for any of us. This is why I have a “personal” and a “relational” view on homosexuality.
Homosexuality is not God’s ideal for His children; He has made that plain. However there are many other things which are not in His plan for us, either, and He has made those things plain also! ALL of us fall down on at least one of these. Hence the inherent difficulty in pointing fingers at other people. Flaws are intrinsic to the current human race – not God’s original intention at all. He created us “good” but now we are anything but. Evil is in all of us. There is a terrific battle in the spiritual world over every one of us.
So fellow Christians, please lay off. We don’t have a mandate to judge, particularly non-believers. We only have a mandate to LOVE! We’re told the mechanisms for managing our churches, NOT trying to manage those outside the church (go to your fellow Christian in love and discuss the problem, then bring a few elders, lastly assemble the whole church if none of these measures encourages the member away from the undesirable behaviour).
One day soon God will come to judge everyone. In the meantime let’s get on with what He commanded us to do – love one another.
DeMario, a demonic spirit??? Really? First of, i don’t think your ‘God’ would approve of you judging others, considering you’re not God and he has the only power to judge who HE created. Luke 6:37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.” People like you are the reason gay rights are so controversial. If no gay person came onto you whats the problem? Them being gay does nothing to you, so like God said DON’T JUDGE. And I’m sure that if Satan created gays, he did it because stupid people like you would react and cause problems.
I did not infect you guys with demonic spirits. I wouldn’t waste my time on that.
GO HOMOSEXUALS! YOU ROCK.
Though we all are allowed to have our own opinions, I will respect your opinion but I will say that many always voice about things they do not understand and have never taken the time to try and understand. Please know that understanding something does not mean you have to accept it but it would be nice to try to understand and show some respect. If you had a child that had autism and the kids teased him because he was different from them. Because they have not been educated about his condition they do not understand why he is different. But had they been educated on it then they would treat him differently. It don’t mean they had to be friends with him but they would not treat him as if he is a alien or virus because he is different. Do you understand what I am trying to say? Lack of understanding shows ones ignorance and lack of knowledge.
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If it’s a mental disorder (which it’s not) then half of my high school is composed of mentally ill people.
I’m sorry to hear that
homosexuality is no a freekan mental disorder u dumbass. learn facts before u dis someone. it is not a choice and btw i hate people like u dre.
Let me pose you a hypothetical question, damon.
My cousin, who we shall call Mary, has never been disciplined by her parents. Ever. They have given her everything she has ever asked for, even when after she receives it she tells them she didn’t really want it. Their way of calming her down was to force her to take behavioral medicine to stay calm. When her brother came into her family (we’ll call him John) and my dad asked my aunt what prompted the choice to conceive a second child, he was answered with: “I wanted to show I could raise a child right.”
Mary goes to college, hating her parents. She gets back at them by destroying herself to ruin their reputations- she changes majors more times than she changes clothes, she takes up expensive hobbies that go nowhere, and she falls into a bad crowd. She finally one day announces that she isn’t just gay, oh no- she’s undergone a gender change, and demands people call her Mack from now on. 25 years after she was born, right when the issue is popping up in the media.
Does this sound like a healthy, biologically-born homosexual with a clear conscience to you? Because it doesn’t to me. And, btw? Yes, this is a true story.
I have no doubt there ARE homosexuals who are born that way, and who are stable. Bully for them. But until I know, beyond peoples’ own words and claims and promises, that they truly were born that way, I will NEVER support the idea of homosexuals being recognized as a minority, because granting minority privileges to psychologically disturbed seems to me like the greatest abuse of freedom we could possibly give.
I don’t believe for a second that all those metrosexuals in Hollywood were really all born that way, and aren’t just jumping on a controversy bandwagon.
Here is another hypothetical Peter.
Let’s just assume that pretty much everything you said above is the same for a person named Bob. He got everything he wanted, he was always blessed by his parents and spoiled. There was nothing bad that ever happened to him. He had a nice girlfriend that he loved very much, and everything was perfect.
One day, Bob snaps randomly. He goes to school the next day and kills students. “Does this sound like a healthy, biologically-born [heterosexual] with a clear conscience to you?” To me it does not. So would this be a good case for one to argue that all heterosexuals are “psychologically disturbed”? No, it is an ad hoc example of one that you are generalizing for the rest of the gay community.
People who are psychologically unhealthy are not restricted to one sexual orientation, nor is that whole orientation psychologically unhealthy. That’s the equivalent of saying a particular race, all of them, like a certain type of food, or all have one particular disease, which is an erroneous claim. Citing one example of a person who you find flawed does not mean that the rest of that group is flawed. (And by the way, to any other readers, I do think that sex changes are psychologically healthy for people, and support their decision to do so).
Homosexuals are not “psychologically disturbed”; they are like every other person, they just like the same gender as themselves.
You are, of course, absolutely right, Logan: what happens to one person cannot be an example of all people who share a common association with him/her. The point I was making, however, is that if ONE person exists who has an unstable psychological profile can simply be gay by calling herself gay, it is possible for anyone else (NOTE: NOT everyone else) who shares any of her qualities, including being psychologically unbalanced- and I have no intention of giving those sorts of liars and nutcases any political quarter as being part of a minority group.
In terms of changing sex simply by choice, I find that to be a major contradiction with the widely toted proclamation that gays are “born that way.” Not only that, it also means that ANYone, at any time, could switch gender attractions and gain minority privileges. The whole concept seems to me to be in bad taste, in a number of ways, and extremely disingenuous when compared to the people who really WERE born that way, and who endured the uncomfortable path of growing up as such.
Dre, no. That is not right. First of all, not all gays engage in anal sex. In fact, straight people do too. Did you know there are sex toys made for anal pleasure? Although I find the idea unappealing myself, who am I to judge? Maybe you should ask yourself the same thing.
I’m sure that this is a not the best argument but what about straight people who like anal? Are they mentally ill too?
Thanks for the FActs! I need this for my essay!!! woot woot!
lol so do i
Big help.! Making a very detailed editorial on how gay marriage is not a abomination. (:
Intriguing. Now that I can finally complete my essay. Oh wait, theres more. Think on this.
It is said in many arguments that because a child grows up with gay or lesbian parents their sexuality is already decided, but if this was true then there wouldn’t be any gays or lesbians because we all came from a man and a woman. If you think on this and date it back it will make sense. We live in an ever-changing world and not everything is going to stay the same. The languages that we have all come to know are always changing to adapt to the “speech of the day” so to speak. So it would make sense that people are “seeking new horizons.” Hope this helped the argument any.
Agreed! I’m giving an argumentative speech as a group with two friends and these facts have helped with my main points sooo much!
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lol me too the crap pp put on here. seriously..?! god said to not judge anyone! its not a sin, its a freaking miracle!
Thanks For the opinions. But some of you are being assholes about same-sex marriage.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE MESSED UP IN THE HEAD IF THEY LIKE THE SAME SEX!!!!! IT IS WRONG AND SAYS IT IN THE BIBLE!!
The bible also tells us that lying and adultery is wrong. There are no big sins and small sins. A man having a relationship with a man is just as bad as telling a lie. When you left your comment, you put “Alice in Wonderland” in the box that asked for your name. You lied. That’s just as bad as homosexuality. You base your beliefs on what is written in a book that no one can prove creditable. I’m not saying that is wrong, but it’s not right to expect other people to drop their values and let you take their rights away because you think they’re wrong.
Mark you said exactly what was on my mind!:) People make such a big deal of gay marriage and make it seem so wrong but when you lie, cheat, steal, curse… those are all sins but you don’t see anyone picketing those sins. Its also a sin to worship any other god….. yet… we who believe in Jesus and the all mighty god….. we dont hold up picket signs for budists and muslims…
I sooooo agree with matt! you know not too long ago people believed it was unnatural or perverted for blacks and whites to marry and now its completely legal. its ironic how people were able to accept that and not accept gays..why are people so interested in trying to make gays lives miserable by telling them who they can or can not love?
i agree with everyone from matt below
and u also have to realize
just because they love someone of the same sex does not mean they are in human
homosexuals, homophobes, homosapiens, we are really all homos in the end
so u can do one of two things
accept your fellow human as they are
or stay out of their life
its not ur right to be nosy and get into ones life and tell them who they can and/or can not love
And its only a matter of time before gays and lesbians will be given a whole new ability, Marriage. It is just a guessing game, and people like me are just pawns in this sinister world. Some day, maybe not tomorrow maybe not next century, but some day our rights will be given to us.
I like when you say Lying is as bad as homosexuality. You recognized at least that homosexuality is bad.
He only said it was wrong according to one set of text. The problem with basing an argument on any religious text is that it will hold no weight to a large number of people.
Anyway, people have been quoting biblical text to prove their points forever [my favorite two examples being Satin and Hitler].
The Bible also says don’t wear cloths of mixed fibers, touch pig skin, cut your hair, and that rape is acceptable as long as the rapist pays the woman’s father some silver pieces.
Just saying – it’s far too easy to manipulate the words in the Bible for whatever you want to prove.
Ash,
Most of your statements from the Bible are taking out of context or are misinterpreted. All of those dumb rules you posted from the Bible, were of Mosaic Law which doesn’t apply anymore now that Jesus has come to save the world. There is a difference between the Mosaic Law, and the eternal laws of God. It is clearly an abomination (as it is written) according to the Bible. However, to someone who doesn’t believe in the word of God, there is no use quoting the Bible, but rather showing them their general sins and their need for a savior.
Also, a point to think about. Should we all just do something if it feels right or feels good? And should we all just assume something is ok if enough humans decide it is? Who decides what is right or wrong?
Your beliefs and whatever says in the Bilble should not be a reference to the rest of the population.
What happened with religion freedom and basic human rights????
If you’re going to argue about the Bible go to the story of Creation and take some religion classes. God made everybody and loves everybody no matter how they act or what choices they make. If what I’ve learned throughout 9 years of catholic school is true, God made gays and loves them just as much as you and all the other people who are against gays. Also, homosexuality is not a choice. There is a part of your brain that tells you whether you like boys, girls, or both genders. Homosexuality may be repulsive to you but heterosexuality may be repulsive to gays. You shouldn’t be mean to people about their sexual orientation, I’m almost positive that that is also against what it says in the Bible.
Thank you Paige. I don’t know the Bible as well as some people, but I know that God wouldn’t create homosexuals just so they can be social outcasts. I’m gay, and I agree, it’s not a choice. Who in their right mind would CHOOSE to be gay? You’re denied marriage in most states, you pray to God that your family and friends will accept you, and it’s something I personally have to worry about at work because in my little Texas town someone may not want to promote me because they’re not comfortable with gays.
Hello Matt. I’m guessing that your name may be Matthew which means ” Gift from God”. It’s an excellent name. I understand you’re point totally. However, some of us believe the bible 100 percent. We don’t pick and choose to highlight only the sin of homosexuality. However, the sin of homosexuality is the focus of this web page. Some believe that homosexuality is not a choice but an orientation from birth. I know that is not true. However, for sake of argument, Jesus specifically told us to be “Born Again”. Being Born Again negates the sinful nature that we were born with. Jesus also told us to Deny ourselves, pick up our cross, and follow Him. So, our personal desires and natures should never override the will of God. However,That only applies to those of us who truly want God’s will to override our own.
Actually Eric, the focus of this web page is not the sin of homosexuality. The purpose of this web page is for people to find out what, legally, is going on around the country for the GLBT community. If you are a friend or foe we welcome you but please don’t mistake the purpose of the website. You can take your issue to church with you and discuss it from the comfort of a hard wooden pew as we’ve all heard it before.
I’m not well read in religious history but I think that Jesus defied his own religion for what he believed in. Also, the people who killed him were forgiven for crucifying him so I believe that people will be forgiven for the nonviolent act of being homosexual. Eric, you seem like a pretty reasonable guy and I respect you for being dedicated to your belief. Everybody has a right to believe what they choose to. We both agree that homosexuals are born gay. This is evident from you referring to homosexuality as “the sinful nature that we were born with.” However, I don’t believe it’s fair or possible for us to have to change this nature that is so deep-rooted and feels so right, but it’s neither here nor there, people will always have something to disagree about. That doesn’t mean we have to be uncivil or step on others beliefs (I don’t believe you have, nor do I intend to). Thank you for your kind and civil comment, I’m extremely stressed today and taking a few minutes to reply to your comment and just knowing that there are reasonable people of faith is calming. Yes, my name is Matthew, but I don’t feel comfortable being thought of as a gift from God. I’m not that special, just a guy doing his best to determine what I believe and how I want to live my life, so I use Matt to shorten the meaning to “gift.” : ) Not a big gift or a small gift, just someone people like to be around.
Ok I know I am a little late to respond to this post, but you are totally wrong if you think being gay is a choice by people. My brother struggled for many years trying to act straight through high school and he was still bullied because he didn’t do sports or do drugs like the rest of the guys in our school. He was not able to come out until his sophomore year in college. He can not chose to like women or men. He was born gay and if you really think that someone can just turn it off you are totally wrong. If you could walk a day in a homosexuals shoes for a day you would not even know how to respond to the ignorant people like your self. They are still bullied and called names no matter where they go. If it was so wrong to be gay then why were so many people created that way? The bible says we are created in the Lords image and if so many people are born that way doesnt that show that he has traits of being gay or lesbien or a transexual. God would not let so many people be created this way if it was wrong. Have you ever once thought how many gays wished they were straight so they were not bullied in life? They do not wake up every morning and say im going to act gay so people can yell biligerant words at me all day, so i feel belittled and worthless. No they dont.
I hope people consider there are several interpretations of God and the entities will in various texts. My argument here is that persons follow that will, but are not prescribed to attack those who don’t. As far as I’m concerned, it is love and prayer that helps ‘save souls’ not ‘throwing stones’ such as attempting to deny homosexuals the right to create a union that is only theirs, denying the recognition of that union, or health benefits in compensation for their work. I, for one, don’t center my focus on one text, but recognize the existence of many and correlate the trends of the development of cultures around the world. How can anyone say they understand the world when they continue to attack one another or when they refuse to explore its vast institutions?
Jesus didn’t tell you anything. We have no direct quotes from jesus unless you have personally befriended him. All the bible is is words. written by people long, long… long ago. For all we know these people could have had Hitler like mentalities and created this to control people. I believe religion is the reason the world is in such conflict. Religion just turns everyone against each other. I really don’t understand what makes people believe in something so abstract. Yes I believe you should do what you want as long as it makes you happy.
You can get rid of your want for money, you can change what colors you like, what career you want but you cannot change your sexuality and to try to do so would only cause misery.
If all your arguments against gay marriage are based on the bible then why is it ok for people who are not religious or who are say buddhist to get married. I mean if you only want christian bible loving man and woman marriages then that is only a very small part of the population… You have so many fallacies in your argument it is actually kind of funny!
Just wondering, where in the bible does it say that liking one of the same gender or both is bad?
Leviticus 20:13
Eli, I can’t seem to reply to LD, so I’ll reply to you. LD cites Lev. 20:13, which is really a repeat of Lev. 18:22, but with the death penalty added (interesting that LD chose the more deadly passage!). Written in an ancient Hebrew that is difficult to translate, even for Hebrew scholars, it seems the passage may be prohibiting two men having sex in a woman’s bed, or perhaps against having sex as part of a pagan ritual. Just knowing these are possibilities makes it necessary to exclude the passage as definitively prohibiting homosexuality per se. Plus, as others point out (below), you can’t hang on to one of the laws in Lev. and ignore others — there are many that people don’t follow today, so none of them can be considered binding, except perhaps to orthodox Jews.
a priest in my town said that if they truely loved one and other they’d choose not to act on their wants. thaqt their eternal soul is worth more. i think it’s a crock of shit. in the book leviticus it says you may not lay with the same sex but it also says you cannot eat pork, lie, and that you can stone your neighbour to death if he works on sunday. so there. if your going to hold the homosexual statement then you have to hold the rest as being right. but most of the bible is taken as a grain of salt. i suggest you take that statement as well
So, I know you had this conversation months ago, but I came across it today. I know the Bible well, and I have to tell you, GOD LOVES EVERYONE! The purpose of Christ was to abolish the laws of the old testament. If one believes in Christ, seeks God’s will, and repents of sins (I’m not saying homosexuality is a sin), then they are going to heaven. John 3:16, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that WHO SO EVER believes on him, shall not perish but have ever lasting life. My heart hurts so bad for anyone who has experienced religious persecution over how they were created. Never blame
God for the stupidity of man, God is LOVE , God loves you , and he desperately wants to have a relationship with all of us, after all ,he created ALL of us.
Hey was born with my family’s religion but dont mean i believe in everything i was taugh while i was growning up..now that iam older and i see threw my own eyes then just the eyes that people told me to look through i see that we or the gov. shouldnt have the right to tell people who they should and should not love..the Bible is collections of stories not all of it should be taken literal but as a view point were you belife comes from.
hii matt i am also not a seeker in religion issues, but when u see the hole universe how is created there is a compound of creatures, tests are being on animals to make them homo the same sex, why we dont find in animals the homo, animals abuse it !!! they are created like, but we changed our self.
would imagine if all world is gay now what will happen think about it, then jesus what will say will he approve it, i dont think,
another one thing, if homo is a normal thing why god just created adam and eve and got married, why god didn;t create like joe and jade and got married its a complex creation system we cannot know the results it now, and do u see that from the begining of the world, the gay movement is spreading, not becuase they are right but we are dealing with our selves wrong and with lall life
I understand that this is what you grew up beleiving, but there are animals that are homosexual i.e. the bottle nosed dolphin. if it happens in nature then why isn’t it okay for it to happen in humans?
Everyone is still deciding whether or not their for or against homosexualism. Where it is their choice to decide for themselves, people who are against it should just keep it to themselves. I think it’s very discouraging to tell someone their wrong for their supposed “choice” in homosexualism. It isn’t a choice, it’s something that people have tried to explain but that’s another argumentative case in itself. Yes, the Bible does state that homosexualism is a sin, but how many times have they changed the Bible? Not that i’m second guessing the Bible, because I’m Catholic myself. You can’t force someone to be a heterosexual. It’s THEIR choice, not theirs.
Well said. I completely agree with you, even though I am Heterosexual.
Alan, I do believe that the Bible is very clear! “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.” Leviticus 20:13.
No, it is only clear if you insist on reading English translations and ignore the multiple possibilities for translating the original Hebrew — check with some Hebrew scholars as to what the original Hebrew MIGHT be saying. You have chosen to only read the English translation that agrees with your position, while ignoring other possibilities that are equally legitimate translations. Plus, what about the question of saying that we MUST obey this law, but we can ignore a lot of the others?
No, LD, any one English translation is clear in and of itself, but you must realize that the original Hebrew is not clear, and allows for multiple possibilities when being translated into English. You have chosen to read only the translation that agrees with your position while ignoring orther possibiities. And what about the whole question that we MUST adhere to this one law, while ignoring others? If you set aside even one of the 613 laws of the Holiness Code, you must be willing to set aside any and all of them.
Sorry about the double submission…it didn’t look like the first one went through!
what if your best friend came to you, telling you that they are gay? would you follow the bible and kill them? would u honestly do that? and if you went to court for that and ur only explanaion was that the bible told you too. they would laugh at u and stick you in jail for the rest of your life. t
TRUE TO THE LAST PUNCTUATION MARK.
Alan, what does Leviticus 20:13 mean if you consider the original Hebrew version? Can you please give me some of the possibilities when translating the Hebrew version into English?
I’ll start by apologizing for the length of this response, but dealing with translating this bit of Hebrew into English gets a bit messy. The literal translation of the original Hebrew that I’ve seen is “and with a male you shall not lay lyings of a woman.” The first problem comes with making it make sense in English, which can only be done by inserting words – there’s nothing in the Hebrew that dictates what words have to be inserted for the best translation. Two possibilities are: “you shall not lay AS THE lyings of a woman” or “you shall not lay IN THE lyings of a woman.” The first deals with how (as you would with a woman) while the second deals with where. This is coupled with the problem of what is meant by “lyings” – does it mean in the way you would lie with a woman, or does it mean the bed of a woman, once again making it a question of how versus where. Then we have the specific Hebrew words used for “woman” and “male.” The Hebrew used for “woman” is typically used to refer to “married woman,” which means it might be a prohibition against defiling a marriage bed. It might also be suggesting, “don’t have sex with a male in YOUR wife’s bed” which would make it a prohibition against adultery, even though the sex is male-male. The Hebrew word used for “male” can be translated as “temple prostitute” or, that is, a male who participates in sex in pagan temples, which was part of Canaanite practice – so, this could be yet one more prohibition against “doing things the Canaanites do,” which is found throughout Hebrew law. It’s been pointed out that every word in each law is intended to mean something and, if it were supposed to be strictly a prohibition against homosexuality it would simply say, “You shall not lie with another male.” – the addition of “lyings of a woman” tells us this is supposed to mean something particular and specific, which is part of what gets people’s heads scratching. So, with all of that potential confusion, it’s simply not clear what the law is supposed to mean, and it should be set aside as a definitive prohibition against homosexuality.
i think that if you’ve ever read the bible you would remember that god is completely against the acts of homosexuals. it isn’t a sin to be gay, but to act upon that feeling is a sin. god destroyed every person but noah’s family in his time because they were all wicked and committing sins (mostly homesexualism), also, he destroyed soddom and gomorah because of this as well. i am not against gays, just against their sexual acts. and if you were wondering, yes i am catholic.
Love the sinner hate the sin (Lev. 18:22). Also, Just because your brain tells you to do something doesn’t make it right. Self-Pleasure isn’t always the best choice.
It’s not your brain, it’s your heart.
Thank you Paige. I appreciate your comment very much, as it coincided with my beliefs not to long ago. As it is, I now proudly label myself as an agnostic progressive christian. It’s a long story, but that’s besides the point. Basically, I believe that if there is a God, he loves everyone, no matter what, age, gender, race, religion, or sexuality, it doesn’t matter to him. PLUS, it also says in the bible, that we here on earth have not the power nor the authority to judge our fellow humans, but that that power rests explicitly with God. I am proud to say I am bi-sexual, and am in love with the most amazing girl I’ve ever met. It absolutely devastates me that our relationship is looked down upon and seen as an abomination. Why is it so wrong for us to be together? I want to spend the rest of my life with her. And I would appreciate it very much if no one tried to pull that ‘Homosexuality is a mental disorder’ crap with me because I suffer from an anxiety disorder as well as depression, and my girlfriend may suffer from a number of things, including depression or even bi-polar disorder (she is just now receiving therapy and has not been properly diagnosed yet) . Not to mention my brother has ADHD and her brother is autistic. Those are mental disorders, homosexuality is not.
because they didn’t listen to God they listened to the devil!!!
If God didn’t want gays, he wouldn’t have created them/
just because it says so in the bible doesnt mean its right, the definition of marrige has changed since, and just because they like the same sex doesnt mean they are “messed up in the head” how would u feel if people said u were messed up for loving who u love. think about it
If you don’t believe in what the Bible says, but at least you can see clearly that the one who created humans provided two compatible sex. A male sex and a female sex that were intended to put together.
Really,
I’m not gay or anything, but I believe that you should be able to love who ever you want too, which means marry who ever you want to man-man marriage, woman-woman marriage, or man-woman marriage. God don’t judge people, and you shouldn’t either. This world is changing like it or not. I believe in God, but this bible nosense needs to stop. Just cause they are gay, don’t make them any different of a person. It don’t change who they are. Why don’t you get to no someone who is gay? Find out who they are before you judge them. Because, most likely you no someone who is, they are just to afraid to come out to tell you. I respect all you people who are gay and were strong enough to come out and tell everyone that you were gay. Your helping change this world one person at a time. Because, once I did believe it was wrong. Then, I found out that my sister was gay. I chose to stick by her, because I love her no matter what and alway will. That’s why I support the gay community.
If somebody says that “gay marriage is wrong” it does not mean that he does not love gay people or he is judging them. You can’t just decide to defend gay marriages because your sister is gay. Defend gay marriages because YOU believe it is right. I LOVE everybody including gay people. But I can’t defend gay marriages because I have a parent, a sister, or a friend who is gay.
ok but thats not right who are you to say that. are you god or just one of his little lackies
I’m not sure why people are against homosexuality. It is not right to restrict people’s rights to be happy in life. Knowing someone that is homosexual, or just seeing someone gay, is not going to hurt you. Why interfere with what other people enjoy? Is it up to you to change someone else’s life?
Alice, John chapter 8 verse 7 says: “So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. I would hate to think that a good christian like yourself was doing this when the bible clearly lays out the path that you should walk. Leviticus 19:28 says: “Ye shall not make any cutting in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord”. I hope you don’t have any tattoos or eat pork as Leviticus 11:7 says: “And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you”. You see just because the bible says something doesn’t mean that even Christians, who tout the book ad nauseam, don’t follow the rules given by God. I grew up in church from the time I was born until I was eighteen and had had enough of the conflict that religion posed against my sexuality. I never had a choice, there was never a roster to sign, I was born homosexual and made that way, by god if you will. The ship has sailed on my faith. I no longer possess any because of people like you and the bad taste they have left in my mouth. I bet there are all kinds of things that you do that are not ordained by the bible in fact are probably things that break the covenant with God. Please go back and re-examen your faith and the teachings that you seem to want to share so badly. I’m not mad at you I’m just frustrated with Christian or religious people who want to pick and chose what is and is not acceptable biblically.
I understand you are against gays but listen not everyone is closed minded.. Today’s society is changing not everyone is believing like they did back in the day, when people paid .99 cents for gas. Things change, people change and whether people like it or not homosexuality is becoming more and more known. I have no choice but to be the way I am and if anyone thinks differently they are sadly mistaken. Things are not what they seem in todays society.. Your best friend maybe secretely in the closet are you going to give them this speech about the bible? No, you would cope and still be their friend. You are not God, there for you have no right to judge like you are. Thanks=)
I’m straight. And I have bisexual and homosexual friends. They are not bad people. They’re both athiests. They don’t care about “the bible says it’s wrong.” Not everyone believes in what you do. Just so you know. I support my friends. Being attracted to both or the same or even the opposite sex. You’re born that way, you don’t choose. Okay? Don’t be rude. It’s okay to voice you’re opinion, but please don’t be disrespectful to anyone. That’s a sin as well.
In the bible it says that the lord made us in his image. Sientists say that homosexuality is genitic. So think about that if homosexuality is genitic then that means that the lord made us to be homosexual. Now explaine that to me.
First, can you please explain your horrible grammar?
YOU are the messed up one!EVERYONE should be treated equally!just because they are different doesnt mean they’re “messed up”!you’ve done sins sooo um….who do you think you are??
hey alice in wonderland,
your so ignorant. people cant control who they are affectonate about and too love someone of the same sex is no different then loving someone of the oppisite.
The bible also talks about how wrong premarridal sex is yet the US is crawling with teen parents.(Even has its own show). so how about you go talk to the killers and crack heads and leave us the hell alone!!!
You should read your bible more clearly and without judement. because if you read it, it really says nothing about homosexuals being a sin! Also know that the bible has been rewritten and revised by many people. So most accusations are false!
Francisco, I’m so glad someone finally said this. Anyone who contends that there is anything in the Bible that irrefutably declares that homosexuality is a sin is basing that belief on a less than complete and/or accurate translation. To really understand the Bible, you must go back to the original language, translate it carefully, and then understand it based on linguistic, cultural, and historical context. If and when you do that, there is nothing in the Bible that declares that homosexuality is a sin. The contention that homosexuality is a sin is based on tradition, not scripture.
how to understand the text your right on the money.. but saying it doesn’t say its a sin you’re just completely wrong
leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
pretty cut and dry… should people be “allowed” to marry the same sex. yes. we have free agency to do what we please.. is it a sin, yes. anything in this life is a choice..
“Alice in Wonderland”, respectfully, you’re an ignorant idiot. Dare you to swap positions with any gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender person for a year and see how you’d feel about it.
why are you here then? why would u come to this page And the bible dosent really speak out aagainst it you wont go to hell for it because itss tecnically not a sin god made all people equal its not a decesion its not what a regular 5 yr old boy or girl wants to go to the park and have feelings for there friends so if u wanna say the bible says its wrong then go read the bible and and then slap yourself because u wont find anything because ive read it already and i really hate to use this word buh ignorant uneducated ppl these days.
alice in wonderland,
you are ignorant. it also says to smoke weed in the bible. it also has a man asked by God to kill his own son. you need to be concerned with your own life other than the life and choices of others. also to go on and say people who have a different opinion than you are “messed up in the head” shows the character you have, or rather, lack of. further proving my point of your ignorance. you are so uncomfortable in your own skin that you have to say that peoples choice of their sexual orientation is wrong. its not wrong. you are prejudice and makes you no better than a racist. you are the wrong ones. you and people like you are the reason why people call america fucking stupid.
Thank you ihatestupidpeople! George Bush didn’t help us either…LOL Awesome name btw
hahahahahahaha. that’s ridiculous.
Alice, whose bible are we talking about? Look up your history and you’ll find this country was established for religeous freedom (not christianity as so many would have us to believe) and my bible does not exclude those whos sexual orientation is for the same sex (remember God does not make mistakes, and sexual orientation is not a choice) Also, if you are apposed to same sex marriage, the marry someone of the opposite sex! Finally, the bible is oppsed to adultry, divorce, not honoring your parrents, and lying are we going to have the government make laws againsts those as well and jail those who break such laws? Let’s get a grip!
Someone probably said this already, but premarital sex is also a sin in the bible, and so are a ton of other things, but no one gives a flying eff about those. Why does this one (not so true) detail cause such a commotion?
yea,god also says not to judge.God also in my own opinion would rather see love then hate.
Agreed!
The Bible does say it is wrong, but it says to hate no one. Hate is a sin. Don’t hate the sinner, hate the sin. Jesus said to love! He ate with the tax collectors. Gay is sexual immortality.. I personally follow the Bible all the way so I believe that homosexaulality is wrong but I don’t have anything against them personally. All sin is the same in God’s eyes. And we all have sinned.
You base your life on another Guy Homo Jesus made Men for Women when people mess up God’s order it aggravates me and Gay people are going to Hell along with the people who support them if they dont change
Alice in Wonderland,
I hate to burst your sad little Christian bubble but the Bible is just a book of old stories that only survives because governments figured out that they could control people’s behavior with religion long ago. Grow up, do some real research and educate yourself to end your ignorance and judgement of others. Just because you believe in the Bible does not mean that all others do. You cannot rightly control people’s civil rights under 1 religion’s debatable rules, simply because it is more popular. If the Mormons or Muslims for example, gained a following of the majority of the U.S. population tomorrow, you wouldn’t then start living by their rules, books or versions of the bible would you? OK THEN!
to Meg …that is rascist to people who are christian and who believe in the bible ! a bible is no just a book of stories . ok ? people who are gay are sick in the head. there is a reason why they are gay. It is because their brain works differentley (in a bad way) otherwise everyone would be married to the opposite sex. but clearly some people have something wrong with them.
@Georgia. It isn’t a proven fact that “Gay” people have a mental disorder. Yes their biological makeup is a little different but that doesn’t mean we aren’t human or should be placed into a mental ward. I think because a thought is foreign to some people it is hard for them to accept it. Racism has come to a steady close, it is time for homophobia to finally finish… Maybe not in this generation but definitely in the ones that follow. People believed the bible stated that black people were a abomination also. So you see? The bible is a ancient text that depicts the social norms of that era… (for people who don’t believe it).
It also hurts to think mass group of people will forever hate you for something I nor my peers have control over. We all just want to be accepted for who we are… If we decided one day that Christianity was actually wrong and turned on anyone who believed such a thing… You also would feel the way we do right now. So please, stop this ridiculous accusations and just let us be us.
Our fore fathers also used to say that black people were property to be traded and sold. The only difference between someone of color and someone who is not, is the amount of melonin (a substance found in skin that naturally blocks UV rays) the melanocytes in our skin produces. The last time we decided to condemn a group of people for something they could not control, the results were catastrophic. If we are going to consider biological differences and discuss the way people’s bodies change their physical and psychological properties, then lets consider this:
There is no one human being alive today who can make the judgement that someone’s brain works “in a bad way” just as there is no one who can make the judgement that someones skin is different “in a bad way”. Its like saying “Weeeeellll… I guess people of color are okay… seeing as they can’t help it… But those gay people who can’t control which gender they find attractive are SO not!!”
I am neither racist nor homophobic, and I am not expressing my opinion on whether or not gay marriage is right. I am merely suggesting that, should this be an argument based on logic, you’ve got a bit of a hole in your argument.
And btw, Racism is racial discrimination. Christianity is not a race, it is a religion, therefore it is religious discrimination, not racism.
Wow. What do these Christians not understand about the fact that for people who are not Christian, the Bible is completely IRRELEVANT??!!
The bible prohibits alot that people do, such as inking their bodies up!
*Leviticus chapter 19, verse 28, which says:
You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the LORD.
The bible also says also says not to judge! (Luke 6:37)
Wow. You guys are idiots to say Jesus Christ defied his own religion. Dont be so stupid in saying your Creator is wrong. Every head will bow and mouth confess that Jesus is the Christ in the last days. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Thats just how it is.
And I think tat people who judge other by wether thier gay or lesbian, or mexican, or ugly, or by wether theyre rich or poor is wrong. Also in the bible it says not to judge others. We are al Gad’s children and to judge another person is to hurt him. I am bi, so what. I cant help the way I am. All your doing by saying that people like me and my best friend are “messed up in the head” is doing nothing but hurting us. Gay kids being picked on just doenst affect them but it also affects the ones around them. Maybe you cshould take that into consideration the next time you wanna say somthing like that. Think of the people your hurting.
Thanks
Alice and Wonderland
For your information there was homosexuality. Read the bible. 2 of the 12 Disciples were GAY.
Alice an Wonderland
For your personal information there was homosexuality there was gay man for example 2 of the 12 Disciples were gay. how about u go and read the bible. and gay or lesbian people are not messed up from the head hormones can be one fact of homosexuality.
Just want to say something, if you’re going to try to argue about something online makesure you use the name of someone who wasn’t obviously tripping on acid.
god said not to judge, isnt that what your doing?! right, he also say “love thy neighbor” so first off ur making a sin right now judging homosexual couples.
It may say that in the Bible but it also sdays its a sin to critsize others…so…. take a look in the mirror if you want to a see a sinner, because hate is a sin. Why can’t everyone just live and let live? Gosh.
i agree whole heartedly! i love you for this! god is against this
Oh, did you speak to God? Or did someone tell you that God’s against this? Because the law would call that hearsay, the same law that’s gonna make gay marriage legal when it comes up to bat. What a Christian, you don’t even capitalize His name.
thank you man i agree! people could be so damn ignorant i tell you!
I agree,and support your opinion.
THANK YOU MATT!!!
Most people who speak this way are 2 things, ignorant and uneducated. It’s very sad. Hey Cindy, did you skip the part of The Bible that says that “God loves ALL his children”? or “Love thy neighbor”? Better yet, have you ever read your bible cover to cover?? Cuz a HUGE percentage of “Christians” havent. How can you follow a religion based on or even understand a book you haven’t read?? LOL!
GOD IS LOVE, NOT HATE!! I hope you get to know him someday!!
Matt Dillon,
I agree with you 100%. If a person knows that God forbids it… How would they know..? Just becuase the Bible said so doesn’t mean anything.. Someone made it up anyway But if they want to think that they know everything about God and all that, then let them.. Cause it just makes them look like a know-it-all, and an ass..
thanks i needed this for my research project!
WOW! SO helpful on my cba assignment! Thank you much! HaHa, All these facts are helpful (:
I think you’re messed up in the head that you care what other people do with their lives maybe you should worry about you’re own life more by getting your head out of your ass and getting a life
God gives gays the choice to be gay and he still loves them. The constitution gives gays the right to marry who are we to take that away. We should def step up and stop being hypocrites. Just cause God say we should not do something does that mean it should be illegal we all sin and without Jesus we will go to hell so stop trying to play God and judge others that’s not our place or our responsibility
@Erica- As does the UN Declaration of Human Rights, which the US signed
Our government makes the laws, not deities. Everyone should feel free to believe what he or she likes, but there’s no way that should be the basis for law. This is a multicultural society, a nation of many religions, and people who don’t believe in religion. Only small-minded people insist on forcing their religious opinions on others who don’t share them.
Hey Erica,
Drop the “choice” part and you’ll be on the right track.
This REALLY helped me for my speech on gay marriage
mine too.
Haha, cool. Mines due tomorrow and I still haven’t finished it though…
I hate middle school XD
XD Im doing a speech over LGBT Rights!
ME TOO
after about the 73284901274 comment on how disgusting i was and how wrong my relationship was i decided maybe it’d be helpful if they actually got real facts on it. The simple fact of the matter is there IS gay people in our country and they aren’t going to vanish because of the closed minded views of many citizens. It honestly has zero effect on straight couples if i get to visit my future spouse in the ICU or take part in her funeral arrangements, rights that are currently denied to homosexual marriages. I personally don’t see the huge passion people have against this topic. Your still going to see gays every where, that’s inevitable, and will it ruin your day that much more if they have a marriage certificate? The true problem here is not wither or not your anti- gay marriage, its homophobia. Also, ask any gay person interested in marriage and you will find out; we know there are states and country’s that allow our marriage but its the RIGHTS whiten that marriage that we are fighting for. As well, do straight couples have to travel to a certain state to get married, firstly becoming a citizen of that state and then being denied that title of marriage in any other state they chose to live in following the marriage? The answer is no. Try making those requirements for straight couples and see how many “constitutional issues” arise.
For anybody who wants to bring up the religious factor of this by the way, my girlfriend grew up in the church, is about the most religious person i know, she struggles often with her “choice” (notice the quotations PLEASE) to become gay because of the statements of bigoted morons like that of “Alice in wonderland”.
it helped me too ^^ i was really interested in all these peoples’ comments. but some people can be so ignorent. I mean i support gay rights, not just because im lesbian, but because everyone should just be able to love each other for who they are. this was sooo awesome. my project kicked butt
mine is too! xD i hate middle school too. it took me forever to finih
I do not know too much about religion nor do I try and tell the people that are against gay marriage that what they believe is wrong. I feel that this is an issue in our world that is one day going to be resolved not completely because there will always be people against it but I do know that gay marriage will one day be legal in all states and better accepted in society. I fully support gay marriage and the strength these people have to stand up and be who they truly are.This is part of the reason why I chose this as my topic for my paper, this website has been very helpful! THANK YOU
I’m actually doing a project on supporting gay marriage in school. Does anybody got any info just send it to my email.
hi ron i am also doing a project on supporting gay marriage in school. I was wondering if anyone has sent u any information…and if they have if you could please send me it it would really help me… thank you so much!
hahahah Matt Dillion that made my night!
I just wanted to say that I find it quite entertaining that there has to be a seperation of church and state unless it involves gay marriage. Fact is…..hetereosexuals have destroyed marriage and what it stands for. The divorce rate has skyrocketed as well as domestic abuse cases. While I am not saying that homosexuals won’t have their problems in marriage, most couples that want to have that piece of mind have been together for many years. I am a proud lesbian who has dealt for many years with the battle of God and religion. The bible was written by man and should not be taken as law. This is just my opinion so please don’t take offense. I grew up in a very Christian family and even my mother knew at a very young age that I was different. I knew at age 11 that I liked women. The bullying I received during school almost made me end my life. Trust me, this is not something I would have chosen. I have done my research and it has been proven that the chemicals in a lesbian’s brain are the same of a hetereo male. God made me this way. If he did create all of mankind, he loves us all as his children. Anyone who thinks otherwise should just ask themselves one question…..if your son or daughter were gay…..would you still love them for the phenominal people they are? Would you stand by if they were getting bullied in school? Would you believe that it was okay for them to not receive the same rights as you? Thank you for listening and I do appreciate anyone and everyone for their opinions. I am not the one with the ability to pass judgement.
I believe people are who they are. Who are we to say what is right or wrong I understand that it says in the bible that homosexuality is wrong, and un-God like but did God not make each and everyone of us? Why would you sit there and protest on God’s behalf when you are nothing more than a simple hypocrit? Yes, God doesn’t frown upon Homosexuals but if he does not like us so much why did he make us? I am a very proud lesbian and I take joy in saying that. I understand what I am is a sin but is it a sin to be happy? If you can find a verse where it says I cannot be happy let me know. Once again, I know in the bible its states homosexuality is a sin but I feel like God would not have set me up to fail.
Miela,
you answered it yourself, you are NOT living a sin, you are living what God made you. I hope you can come to understand you are not any less in God’s eyes because your are living the life you were given….peace sister
Ok so I looked up this page for my research paper and it helped me a lot so special thanks to the creator. However reading some of these comments made my stomach hurt… Who gave you people the right to judge us? God? Because I’m pretty sure he didn’t! Unless you all are having personal conversations with him that the rest of us are unable to hear. Let me ask you one simple question. Did God write the Bible? No he did not. A man wrote the Bible and even if as you all believe God told them what to write what makes you think that they did not also add their own opinions. No man is without sin correct? So who are you to tell me that I am committing a sin because I am in love with a female when you yourself have not lived a life without sin? I am a good person! I volunteer and I help the needy and would do anything possible to help my fellow man but in your eyes none of my good doing counts because I am gay?! How can that possibly be accurate? Just because of who I love all the good things I have done or will do in the future don’t matter? Maybe instead of judging me you should take the time you spend telling others how much I repulse you to focus your attention on more positive “God-like” things.
Hello Amber. I totally agree that we aren’t supposed to be judgmental. We are supposed to demonstrate the love that Jesus demonstrated. However, genuine Christians believe the Bible 100 percent. Within the Bible that we believe, there are passages that speak against a homosexual lifestyle. I know that many people who practice this sin believe that they were “born this way”. However, Jesus told us that we must the Born Again in order to enter the kingdom of Heaven. I also know that many people who practice this sin are following their “heart”. However the Word of God tells us that “the heart is desperately wicked above all things and only God knows it”. I tell you these things not to be “right” but because I love you enough to tell you the truth. We are living in a day and age when people disbelieve the Word of God because it doesn’t promote their sinful agendas. The Bible speaks of these times. It comes as no surprise to the people who really follow Jesus and believe God. However, many of the people that come on here an post hateful comments aren’t the people of God. We have a duty to speak the truth of the Bible. However, we also have a duty to demonstrate love.
Thank you so much Eric for your comment. I agree with you!
Eric, I can see that you are trying very hard to speak both kindly and clearly, truly believing that you are speaking as a “genuine Christian.” However, without realizing it, you are actually contradicting yourself. You say that “we aren’t supposed to be judgmental” and then say that “genuine Christians believe the Bible 100 percent” and that “there are passages that speak against a homosexual lifestyle.” Putting this all together, you are essentially saying that if you don’t agree that the Bible speaks against homosexuality and believe that 100 percent then you aren’t a genuine Christian – that is being judgmental. You will find there are many genuine Christians who do NOT believe that there is anything in the Bible that speaks against a homosexual lifestyle – the disagreement between you and them comes down to translation and interpretation. You’re also stepping into very deep water when you start dealing with the concept of being “born again” and someone who is homosexual being “born this way” – you are over simplifying a very complex debate regarding the difference between earthly, physical, bodily birth and spiritual birth. You say that “I tell you these things…to tell you the truth” – but you are speaking YOUR truth; you will find there are many genuine Christians who disagree with you – and, just to be sure it’s clear, if you insist that disagreeing with you means they can’t be genuine Christians, then you are being judgmental.
Alan I see that you’re calling me judgmental and I totally understand your opinion of me. I’m used to the name calling. It’s what people result to when you don’t agree with what they believe is right. I understand. My job as a Christian isn’t to debate with you about biblical translations and interpretations. The bible is spirit and truth. Only those who possess the Spirit that testifies of The Spirit will comprehend. I can’t debate with natural minded individuals about spiritual things. However, I speak as someone who truly cares about the souls of men. And I speak as someone who has been delivered from an homosexual lifestyle. I speak from experience.
Eric, first, please note that I was not calling you, personally, anything, and there was no “name calling”; I was saying that the way you were expressing things comes through as judgmental – there is a difference. What I pointed out before, and will simply repeat: you are continually expressing your truth, as you see it, but implying that anyone who does not totally agree with it must be wrong. Just in case you haven’t picked it up from other things I’ve said here, I am a Christian, and one who possesses the Spirit. I speak from my understanding of Christianity, which I know differs from yours, but that does not make one of us right and the other wrong, only different. I also truly care about the souls of men, including gay men, and consider it wrong to condemn them for simply being who they are. I cannot speak to your having been “delivered from a[n] homosexual lifestyle” – that is your life, and your experience – you should not presume to expect or demand that of all others.
As a Psychology major, I can honestly say that we fail to realize that we’re egocentric and run on a biased conditioning. Keep in mind, the Bible was not written by God or Jesus … simply an interpretation by a “chosen” few. Furthermore, as human beings progress we come to educate ourselves and understand that diseases or disorders of modern were also alive in the past. We can’t assume that ever individual that contributed his interpretation was psychological healthy, free of bias or not suffering from a mental condition. I believe the Bible is merely an interpretation and I refuse to believe the Almighty to guide us towards hatred, discrimination, and anger. The message is so easily lost and I truly believe the message is love one another regardless your differences. After we pass on living a life of kindness towards your neighbor, the Almighty will tell us what’s the truth. Please love one another and God bless you all.
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Yes many people will fall short because they indulge in their sinful practices. We are all born into sin, but does that mean a fornicator has to keep on fornicating because he/she feels that just who they are? How dare you accept yourself for who you are?!? You think you were born that way!?! Jesus tells us to deny ourselves, pick up our cross, and follow him! Many men/women have a hard time doing all sorts of sins, but those who follow Christ fight it in order to stop it! Now many may not be religious, and by all means thats their choice! But how dare anyone corrupt Gods creation of marriage between Man and Woman! I was a sinner, but am now a Saint through the Lord Jesus Christ! The truth will be revealed and you will fall to your knees and glorify the father as a straight man/woman! or else to the fire you go….
Is there even a kingdon of God? Do you have any proof? Other then “God speaks to me.”
Let the fornicator do what they want, and you worry about yourself. I know that if your gay, you were born that way. *How do you explain little boys wanting to play with dolls, and wear makeup? They didn’t learn that, those are their internal instincts. *Or when girls want to cut their hair short and wear boys clothing?
If their is a “God” he created us in his image right. If he wanted everyone to be so Christian, wouldn’t he have created a personal guide to life? No, not the bible, But a guide for everyone in the entire world?
Quoted by you, “But how dare anyone corrupt Gods creation of marriage between Man and Woman!” How dare you corrupt Gods will. Homosexuals did not pick to be gay, that was “God.” God’s choice, God’s doing.
The truth that will be revealed is “You live in the stone age, things have changed.” Society is completely different from what it was long ago. And like everybody else, you need to get up to date with your views. And start living this age’s life style. No I am not saying you need to completely change who you are. Cause as you say “God made us this way.”
The day I fall to my knees and glorify someone, it won’t be God, it will be someone who deserves it, someone who will “Save us from sin,” or someone who proves to be worthy. Not some guy that noone has proof of exsisting.
Plus the followers of the bible, do you realize all your doing is following some guys who thought “They recorded God’s word.” Its ALL interpretation.
It very well could be just their opinion…
Don’t hide behind a bible and cross, that won’t protect you. Cause who even said that that is Godly/Holy items?
It also says in the “Bible” that you believe in so much, Do not HATE Your NEIGHBOR!
You don’t hate them right, just hope they go in to the Fire?
***Leviticus 20:13, “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
REAL Godly huh?
Do you really think a Man so loving would want this to happen to his children? To his creations. They lost the “Path of righteousness” lead them back. Don’t just KILL them.
I don’t, I think its just a guy who got pissed his wife left him for a woman. So now its revenge against homosexuals.
Its a risk to think our understanding of the bible is without error.
Research the case Ronald E. Gay. Do you really think that God would’ve told him to do it. When in the bible is say murder is sin…
Please, give me a single shred of evidence that your god exists. All your hateful rhetoric means absolutely nothing to the rational mind without the assumption that your god even exists. Then again, I may be asking too much when I ask for reason. Reason and logic are for liberal atheists, while all the “Real ‘Mericans” know that fancy book-learning ain’t godly, and pastor Joe is smarter than those snarky college professors, what with their PhDs and their theses and their peer-reviewing, what a bunch of morons.
It clearly states in the bible that God burns a whole city to ashes for ingaging in relations with the same sex. I am for gay marriage but it is a fact God does not approve gay marriage.
YOU ARE DUMB! are you honestly one to say who or what God approves of? ya shut up…you dont know God go to a fucking church idiot
You seem very angry……
We’re angry because all of you extremist “Christians” keep repeating idiotic explanations for your views and we are tired of being judged under YOUR religion and YOUR ignorant philosophies. If you pay attention and actually read it, your entire precious bible contradicts itself over and over again!! And even states that we “MUST” do things that are now illegal! We’re angry because you make stupid statements like “God created marriage” and the bible which were both created by MAN! Do you ever work on Sunday? Maybe I’ll do what your bible says and come to your house and stone you to death for that. And throw us into the fire?? Really? The bible also says, “he who has died has been freed from his sins.” You have NO idea what God’s love really is if you think he created a place of fire to torture us forever.
Dearest meg, you seem to have a misconcieved interpretation of what christians believe. I would like to stamp down with great ardour the comment ‘you have NO idea whats Gods love really is if you think he created a place of fire to torture us forever. You are clearly no christian or possible a christian with a miscoceived idea.
GOD DID NOT CREATE HELL!!!!!!!!!!!! get your facts right lovely lady!!! The correct definition of hell, dearest meg is a place where god is absent. What makes hell such a torturous place is the fact that it lacks the presence of God. All people who go to hella re those who reject HIM in their life on earth. They chose to go to hell out of their oun free will. Kindly get your facts right prior to embarassing yourself online.
No the bible never contradicts itself, EVER.\
Times have changed u idiot, accept same sex marriage! so what if its unnatural and the adopted children become corrupt. Gay people deserve love! even if it is at the cost of the corruption of the minds of the adopted childre. How inconsiderate of gay people you are indeed. Stop this unjust discrimination!!!!!!!!!!!!
Learn dearest Meg
Praise pastor Joe, he done knows whats good and whats bad. He knows that thems homos is sinnin, and so we better get our beatin sticks out.
Try reading the story (of Sodom and Gomorrah) again. If you read previous chapters you’ll see that Sodom had just come out of a war, making them suspicious of strangers in their city as possible spies sent by their enemies. When they came to Lot’s house (remember, Lot was a foreigner in Sodom, and they didn’t totally trust him, either), knowing he had two strangers there, they said, “Bring them out so that we may know them” with the intention of interrogating them — not to have sex with them. There are a number of references to Sodom and Gomorrah in later books in the Bible, referring to the “sin of Sodom” but none of those make any reference to anything that can be interpreted as homosexuality. The idea that the sin of Sodom was homosexuality was created later, starting in about the 6th century, AD.
Thank you very much!
people are so stupid if it isnt you then why let it bother you? if you dont like it then dont freakin look!!! special ed people didnt choose to be that way are you guys going to disrespect them because they are diffrent??? yeah maybe wrong two men together or two woman but if that is how they are then except it or keep your mouth shut!
If I say I believe homosexuality is wrong. It does not mean that I disrespect gay people.
i love these facts! i’m using them for my speech supporting gay marriage. i’m straight & a christian yet i’m alllll for gay rights in every way! no person should ever be targeted, harrassed, or have rights taken away from them because of their sexual preference. and it makes me soo sick and sad to see people comment on here rude & disgusting things. its not right.
xoxo<3
All the comments that say Homosexuals should burn in hell and the bible says this and the bible says that really angers me. Fair enough if that is what you believe but for people to write things like “Some believe that homosexuality is not a choice but an orientation from birth. I know that is not true” is just ridiculous, im sorry but I’m a gay man and why would i chose to everyday live my life as a constant battle against prejudice and homophobic people, anyone who really believe’s its a choice really needs to think carefully.
I know that much of your comment is directed at me. Especially since you quoted part of my previous comment. I know that homosexuality is a choice from experience. I made a choice not to to be involved in this Godless lifestyle. It was a difficult choice. My flesh wanted to do some very sinful acts. I had a choice to either give in to my sinful desires or to resist. I had to decide that I wanted God’s will more than my own. His will be done, not mine. I know from experience that if you draw close to God, He will draw close to you. He will fight the battles in your flesh for you if you allow Him too. However, many times we don’t want to give up our own sinful desires because it feels “So good” to our flesh. We’re so used to to living our lives the way we want and inviting God to tag along. Only a few of us have actually given up ‘All” to follow Jesus. Luke, the choice was and is yours.
the bible also says that women should not speak to men unless spoken too…obviusly things have changed yall are dumb if u think that gay people shouldnt marry, whats the differnce if they’re the same sex? they love eachother and they should marry…………..btw womans rights…AHAH!
what ever happened to separtion to church and state?….dumbasses…
Why do people resort to name calling when someone else’s opinion differs from their own.
its not an opioin its the law….dumbass
Again with the name calling. You’re better than that.
Ok #1 my real name is peaches lol
#2 people should be able to do whatever the hell they want its not hurting anyone if there gay…who cares??? Some of the coolest people I know are gay and i love them..there not any diffrent just because they like what they have. I support gay marriage all the way!! and thanks im doing a speech on gy marriage too thats why im doind this lol
There’s no such thing as “Gay Marriage”. Marriage in it’s Original inception, is the covenant union between people of the opposite sex. However, we are living in a day and time when people are more concerned about man’s wicked opinions than they are the Word of God.
Look up the history of marriage. It was originally a contract between to wealthy families in order to keep wealth and land within the families. It wasn’t until around the 16th century that the church got involved and they did so to charge couples money to get married on the church steps. Just like most things said by religious people, you too don’t know the history of the subject that you’re writing about.
Marriage in it’s original inception has nothing to do with church or religion. In the beginning when the Lord God first presented Eve to Adam, there was no such thing as church or religion. However, God showed us in His word His blueprint for marriage. He showed us that in order for a man and woman to become one, the man must leave his mother and his father and cleave to his wife. The two shall become one flesh. But Craig, you already know this.
There is no evidence that Adam and Eve truly existed!
Genesis 2:7
Adam was “formed from the dust of the ground.” Bull.
Craig is right.
without any kind of religious background, without any kind of real political knowledge (only what i’ve learned in school)…. i say this. first off i apologize because this will probably end up long.
) SINCE WE AREEE!
Eric, i want to say thank you because you have not done anything but be polite and try to do right by your own belief system. all i find on here when i get on is slander and cruelty from non supporters. it takes a truelly good kind of person to be able to show the restraint and the mindfulness that youve shown.
Next, (to everyone. PRO OR NEG GAY RIGHTS) i dont know why anybody needs to make this page into a list of rights and wrongs. this page is made for statistics.. your subjective ideas thoughts and belief systems WILL NOT change that. this page is for research and knowledge. not to impose your own ideals unto another person. BUT! ohhh yes theres a but! (
I, Kiara, knew in 4th grade that i was different. at this point i didnt know i was GAY per se or even that i liked women… i was too young to understand the meanings or life altering implications of my feelings. but i knew. In 5th grade i had become aware of the meanings of things like gay or lesbian or bisexual.. Transgender is one i didnt learn till later. and by then i knew what i was. I was bisexual (the term WAS will be described later). i came out to my mother one day while we were putting together a bunkbed.. oddly enough. and she accepted it and had absolutely no problem with it. but also immediately following that, sat me down and explained that it is entirely typical for kids to go through a stage of curiosity. that what i feel now isnt necessarily permanent. so if it fades away i wasnt to worry because it was normal and didnt mean anything bad OR good. but that if my feelings dont change, then theres nothing wrong with that either. but even in elementary school, i knew it wouldnt change. i came out freshman year. no one seemed surprised nor upset. everyone was okay with it and took it in stride. life went on. i only delt with one episode of discrimination and delt with it with words and never got physical. my only issue in the family was my grandparents. they’ve known for a while but i’ve never TOLD them. they wont even watch the Ellen Degeneres (spelling?) show because shes gay. but then turn around and try the “you know even if you are gay, we’ll love you just the same” stint. how can you accept me but not anyone else who is “afflicted with this disease” as they say. believe you me sirs and misses, if i had the choice, id be straighter than a dang homophobe. dealing with the hate that surrounds the gay community is just heartbreaking. even if its not my own pain to feel. now a days,(heres where the WAS BISEXUAL comes in) i’m a lesbian, with one exception. my wonderful loving boyfriend of 2 years. i’m sort of physically attracted to men.. i’ll be like danngggg he’s hott! but i dont want to “lay” with a man. and i’ve found myself incapable of emotionally connecting with a man on anything more than a friendly level. though believe i have tried soooooo hard. My boyfriend got through that. he’s in no way feminine, and hes not exactly the sexiest beast ever.. but golly i love this boy.. well i guess man now :p i grew up around him the last 7 years.
now that i’m done RAMBLING.. where is the sepparation of church and state?? why is marriage and the laws surrounding, based on what one or two relgions Books (not all relgions’ book are “BIBLES”) define it to be? why are we eating pork, and committing adultery, or allowing freedom of religion (or lack there of), why do we allow blacks and whites or hispanics and whites to marry, or allowing and then banning slavery? why do we allow other said “sins” but when it comes to something that IS out of the nations and individuals control, we ban it and slanderize it? i’m ALL for religion. if it works for you then goodness i am so happy for you. i believe there is a deity.. or more.. idk. im agnostic. i believe theres something out there somewhere.. and i believe that he/she is the only able to control these things. but you me they the states or the world, can not control one persons sexuality. so why pretend we can control it. by stating it shouldnt be allowed because your bible says so, you are imposing your religion upon my life and state that it should not be allowed because your god says so. but our country is based upon freedom of religion (and other freedoms), so my religion (or again, lack there of) has NO ISSUES with gay marriage. my religion has no say for OR against. if you so truly believe that i will burn in hell because i do not put the Lord Christ before my own wonton beliefs and needs, then perhaps i will. but your beliefs serve no purpose in my life and should not be allowed to have jurisdiction over my happiness. allow me my freedom to marry and love who i choose. going to hell or heaven according to your religion is my decision to make. speak as you have been and be courteous as you have been and pray for my eternal soul. but do not ban me from my own individual path that as a human (sin filled or not) am entirely entitled to even according to your own personal god. the decision for a life filled of sin or not is my choice. not yours. allow us to make our own mistakes and choose our own path. according to you i choose the path of destruction, and eternal flames. according to me, i choose a path thats made for me. and a path for love and a path for freedom one way or the other. you are not my God. you are not my deity. your are a human. you do wrong as well. allow me my choices and freedoms.
Beautifully said, your story is quite similar to my own in many respects… I also completely agree with every word you have spoken. I am agnostic as well, and to be quite honest, if a person believes in God, or whomever, that is you’re own choice and I’m glad that you know what you’re beliefs are, I will not judge you for this. My only request is that people not force their beliefs on to me, and allow me to follow the path I’ve chosen for myself. Maybe you believe I’ll burn in hell, or need to change my ways, but I’m in love and very happy, and I’d appreciate it if people just let me live my life as my rights as a human being on this earth should allow me to live.
WOW i used this for a report not to take my anger out on peopple,
The federal governement denying homosexuals or bisexuals same sex marriage is unconstitutional. Saying that they cannot marry because the constitution was set with the bible in mind, does not support the seperation of church and state. Saying two men or two women cannot marry, could be likened to forcing christianity on them, since christans see homosexuality as a sin……just puttin this out there.
It is just clear that marriage should be between a man and a women. Even our bodies can tell! You don’t have to open the Bible to see that. It is clear that the one who created humans provided 2 kind of sex that where intended to put together. Marriage should be between a man and a woman. If you don’t agree with me it’s fine. Even when Jesus was on Earth it’s not everybody who believed in what He said, so what about me?
Clearly, not EVERYONE should reproduce. And many bodies say, I’M HOMOSEXUAL. Yay! Biology!
And you’re comparing yourself to Jesus? HAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!
I grew up in an EXTREMELY religious (Christian) atmosphere. I go to church every Sunday and I have read the bible. One of the things I notice the most- especially once Christ came to establish his truth- was that he gave us a higher law: And that law is to NOT JUDGE ONE ANOTHER and to LOVE OTHERS AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF and to SERVE YOUR FELLOW_MAN. I dont remember him saying anywhere “Oh yeah and if he/she is gay, none of that applies. We do not have to agree or choose to folllow anothers lifestyle, but if you want to bring God into it- you just look like an idiot, because God tells us not to judge, lest we will be judged with the same judgement we pass. “Let those without sin cast the first stone”
Everybody seems to look past the truth…and hide their faces with a mask of darkness…Ignorance is bliss right? You all will see! The Lord meant what he said! What a sick, disgusting, twisted, world we live in
Did you hear him say it? You can’t prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that your god exists.
Uhhhh excuse me sir/ma’am, but the fact that the universe, earth, me, and you exists declares that my God exists! You fall under the deceptions of Satan! You gave into his tempting broadcasts of the air (Ephesians 2:2)! Dont be ignorant…
Have you ever taken a science or biology class? To me sir, you are the ignorant one in this conversation.
So I guess you don’t believe in math, physics or biology, neither Einstein nor Newton and of course not Darwin!
Of course not Lucy! That would mean JAEO would have to be educated and study proven truths and see that his religious views contradict the truth! LOL
Yes, it must be blissful to believe in heaven where you will finally be safe from all of us sinners!
ignorance=YOU.
I never understood why homosexuality was such a big deal. So I have a girlfriend. Big deal. It’s not that much of a problem. We’re not hurting anyone. Nothing we are doing is wrong.
You are very well hurting yourselves and the young lads around you! The carnal mind is enmity toward God (Romans 8:7)
okay so you keep on citing scripture,and yet none of it says anything about homosexuals! your just trying to make it seem like that!
Romans (1:25) Read the entire scripture plz… “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshipped and served the creation rather than the Creator who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them over to their dishonorable passions. FOR THEIR WOMEN EXCHANGED THE NATURAL SEXUAL RELATIONS FOR UNNATURAL ONES, AND LIKEWISE THE MEN ALSO ABANDONED NATURAL RELATIONS WITH WOMEN AND WERE INFLAMED IN THEIR PASSIONS FOR ONE ANOTHER. MEN COMMITTED SHAMELESS ACTS WITH MEN AND RECEIVED IN THEMSELVES THE DUE PENALTY FOR THEIR ERROR”
Are you baptist?
Since you expect people to read the entire scripture, make sure you do the same. If you read all of Romans 1, you’ll see that it’s all about moving away from pagan worship practices. One of those was having sex in temples — men with women, men with men, women with women, depending on which deity and which temple. Paul is speaking about not partaking in sex practices as part of pagan ritual, and is not saying anything about the mutual love between two people. There is no scripture in the Bible that irrefutably establishes that homosexuality is a sin — including this one.
Baptist? No sir, I am a follower of Christ
So, JAEO, you’re implying that Baptists aren’t followers of Christ. I’m sure they’d all love to know that.
not true allan..
leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Interesting… I understand all your points, even though I agree with the ‘pro’ gay rights. I don’t know, when someone cites the bible to me as their source against homosexuality, I claim it’s not credible because… well, there not facts… not everyone believes in god, and the existence of god is not a for sure fact either… just sayin’. Now, I shall use this for my project…
I needed all this information for my homework, I believe that everyone should have equal rights. We are all human beings, and I was reading this outloud my 4 year old daughter replied: ” Guns are bad, not gays” Maybe some people should start to think!!
You’ve got a smart kid
Good work!
I am a supporter, believer and lover of God, but there has never been a single day, hour, minute or second that I ever posed discrimination against the LGBT community. Jesus told us we must love our neighbors as we love ourselves. And although you fools may think that God hates all that aren’t heterosexual, let you soak in this: God forgives and loves all His children. Who is anyone to say he has ever held a certain hatred against such peoples? We must all keep in mind still that the Bible was written by Four Gospels of which are no longer present on earth today. That said, could the quote that tells the tale of God’s disapproval of homosexuals be a lie? Indefinitely.
Listen up every body, all things being parallel, for example, “what goes up, must come down!” Therefore like the bible says (or better yet the inspired word of God) those who choses not to believe in TRUTH (the truth of God) have obviously chosen to believe a lie (Satan’s lie.) On the subject of homosexuality, defined as women and men who have exchanged “natural”
relations for “unatural” relations an who have become inflamed with LUST for one another, God word says he has given them over to a depraved mind–being filled with every kind of wickedness, evil and deprabity. Any nation that justifies homosexuality or lesbianism as an acceptable lifestyle is in an advanced stage of moral corruption. So, bottom line, being gay is a “choice” in which carries a heavy price! So make your decision to believe truth or a lie!
Who told you that the Bible contains God’s words? Did you get it straight from the Almighty himself? Do you have a tape recording? No you don’t have any tangible proof that a supernatural being sent these words to man. Man wrote the book. Man with all his prejudice and evil wrote that book. Now, if you want to believe it that is your right to do so. I don’t believe it and that is my right to do so. You, however, do not have the right to force your religions bigotry on anyone else. Under the Constitution minorities are protected from tyranny of the majority. Let me just ask you one thing. When did you choose to be heterosexual? By you saying that it’s a choice we must assume that you have an attraction for men as well as women and that you chose you be with the opposite gender. I’ve never had a sexual attraction for women so I can tell you that your theory doesn’t work. So, unless you have an attraction for both genders and chose one over the other your argument just doesn’t hold water.
You kick ass Craig!
Couldn’t have said it any better Craig!
Okay. First off, let me say that just overall, you’re an idiot. Or for lack of a better term, just another ignorant Christian. When was the last time God told you that HE wrote the Bible? Do you have his personal cellphone number? Becaust I’ve been trying to contact this “Being” for the parts part of 30 years and he still isn’t returning my calls. Last time I checked, the Bible (yes, ALL of it) was written by MAN. Matthew, Paul, Peter and all of the rest of them, were MEN. HUMAN BEINGS. I don’t understand why, in this day and age particularly, society is still so quick to jump on the Christianity band-wagon and swallow whatever biased opinions their church leaders want to shove down their throats, but that is your prerogative. However, do not presume to use such unrealistic defense as “It’s wrong because my Bible told me so” to explain why two people who love one another and are willing to walk hand in hand together for the rest of eternity cannot. Marriage should not be defined as a man and woman, regardless of what your paperback book says. Marriage should be defined ONLY as two people who love eachother unconditionally, and who will value not only one another’s company but the commitment that they’ve made to one another. In your God-filled reality, marriage is defined as two heterosexual people with a pen and $125 dollars for a damn license, who either thought it would be fun or didn’t know what the hell that would entail. Don’t spout about the “sanctity of marriage” until you can define it correctly, as opposed to how these ignorant remnants of the Bush era choose to poison it.
Ok so I have one question… When we were granted the “freedom of religion” in the constitution did this also not imply that we have the “freedom FROM religion” as well? Maybe people heterosexual and homosexual alike do not believe in the Bible. And yet not one time have they been told that because they are not CHRISTIAN they cannot be married…. How is it fair to for you to take away a gay or lesbian persons right to marry who they love if the rest of the world has that right?!?!? Isn’t this a prime example of discrimination? And if you are a TRUE christian than you are aware of the fact that YOUR Bible tells you not to judge someone and discrimination is just that!! Don’t judge me because I love a female and I won’t judge you for being a hypocrite!
Just because you choose not to believe in the bible doesn’t nullify and/or voids its relevancy in the affairs of humankind. Your question is centered upon the power and authority invested in man, not in the Creator of heaven and earth and mankind. The issue is not whether they are christian, or who they might love, the issue is that the supreme word of God says it is unnatural for man/woman to be with the opposite sex, sexually and in a covenant relationship which was institued by God to be between a man and a woman with one of the purposes being to reproduce after its own kind. Obviously your guilt conscious is getting the best of you, if you think that I am passing judgment on gays and lebsians. I am just sharing with you TRUTH! Do you even know the definition of what is a hypocrite?
It’s only a relevant book if you subscribe to it’s teachings. It has never, for all intents and purposes, been proven to be anything more than a book of fables. You can’t prove to me that the book is anything more than a great work of fiction. You also can’t prove to me that your god exists anymore than you can prove to me that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus don’t exist. Believing in the latter will get you a padded room, while believing in god, while just as intangible, gets you favor in the public eye. Huh, interesting how one crazy is punished and another crazy is praised. You aren’t sharing TRUTH! You’re sharing a HYPOTHESIS! At best, you’re sharing SPECULATION! YOU HAVE NO CONCRETE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR BIBLICAL THEORIES.
Craig, Sir! Satan the devil has truly blinded your eyes! You love your sin soooo much that you reject the very will of your creator! The carnal mind is enimity toward God! For it is not subject to the law of God neither indeed can it be (Romans 8:7)! You may live to see Christ return just as He ascended! Surely then you will believe! But it will be too late because you weren’t able to overcome! Thanks to our gracious God, you will witness His love for you…..
woooooow i thought god was supposed to be all-loving?! right now he kinda sounds like an asshole. if being gay/bi/lesbian is against god, then i’m happy to be against him. i will gladly tell him to screw off if he ever tells me i can’t be who i am.
Well that says it all doesn’t it. Those are some pretty bold words! I hope you understand who you are speaking about! But you know, I research other religions and there beliefs and I happened to come across satanism. They don’t look at Satan as their god, they just believe in that way of life. “Rebellion” would sum up their beliefs. You might as well become a satanist! The righteous God did say that the children of the devil would hate the truth. If you are against God, you are of the devil. By all means, continue to sin because you will not learn any other way!
When that day comes (and I too believe that it will come), I will stand before my Creator and let HIM judge me as He sees fit. I believe the Word of God also tells us that we should not judge one another but yet let HIM be the Judge of our wrong doings. Yes, I am a lesbian. I tried to live the life of a “straight” woman. Denying my true feelings and happiness. I was married in the eyes of God and Country to a man for many years. I lived miserably and decided that it was MY CHOICE to be happy and to CHOOSE who I am happy with. So in that respect, yes, I can see your point about it being a “choice”. However the fact that I have ALWAYS been attracted to women is not. I am happier and healthier than I have ever been so, if I go to hell for that, so be it. When the day comes, I will stand before God and confess my sins and be judged, as He would judge me, just as you will.
I believe that in some extreme cases, like with this chap, a Baptist asylum is needed. These people who spew out bits of pieces of scripture and have THE RIGHT TO VOTE is more frightening than a schizophrenic crack-head with a gun.
Ok so after Homosexual marriage is allowed, whats next? Marrying animals!?!?!?! How absurd! I think not! Then after that, objects, then the much more ridiculous it will get!! The carnal mind is enmity toward God (Romans 8:7)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only a coward would hide behind the words of another man (the bible). If marriage was so sacred and holy to you breeders, try not sleeping with your wife’s best friend or beating her to a pulp every friday after you get drunk with the boys! If you want to advocate marriage STAY married and don’t get divorced! All of these anti-gay and anti-gay marriage facts that you guys so love throwing out there as been over used and is getting old… If your so close to your God that you know what he or she wants… Then heck bring hi or her over to my place for a drink and we could have a chat but until then keep your religious babble and opinion to yourself please.
facts would be great for my project like laws and stuff..so thanks
Is anyone else getting that a few facts on gay/lesbian relationships in North America has turned into a fighting ground? I’m not saying one side is wrong or right. I myself am bi, and while I understand the arguments against such things (most of the time), I do not support them. The Bible was written by man, not God. And its generally accepted by historians that the Bible was written about a hundred or so years after Jesus died.
And I had the privelage, when I began to understand myself as being bi, of having a pastor who accepted all people as PEOPLE. I have not gone to church recently, and, for myself, I’m comfortable with that and with who I am. If you choose to judge me by knowing that ONE fact about me, then frankly, you might be just a little blind. I do not force myself on anyone but I do not allow anyone to force themselves onto me. In any way, shape, or form. If there is a ‘God’, don’t you think he’d want all his ‘children’ to be happy like that?
Oh, and by the way, for those who say the Bible condemns gay relationships, at no point does it condemn CONSENTING gay relationships, like it does the rape of girls by husbands forced upon them. Hey, it even gives you rules on how to sell your daughter.
ermm i think you’ll find marriage is lawful its not religious only the marriage service that is held in a church is religious…look it up
and no i did NOT choose to be gay….end of!!
I suppose marrying animals is next…..
At least 5 men have married horses already it’s in the book of world records
That isn’t surprising at all
I would compare priests molesting children to bestiality! They both harm non-consenting innocents. Yet two HUMANS of the same species who choose to love one another cannot be related to such horrific ideas.
Get your mind out of the gutter JAEO.
Craig you and I have similar opinions. I believe as you apparently do in the things I can prove. I may very well be concerned alot of things for my opinions but they don’t change. Can any of you give me one accurate peice of information that proves to me that the Bible states nothing but facts? Has anyone had a personal experience where you and God had tea and discussed this? I learned as a child that believing in fairy tales gets you nowhere in life. If you depend on someone else to take care of you then you end up with what? A bunch of hopes and dreams and nobody to make them all come true. I need stone cold facts! It is a proven fact that MAN wrote the Bible it is also a proven fact that it is the best selling book of all time so I give him credit where credit is due. However you believe that I chose to be a lesbian… No I did not. I am from a very small town and lost most of my family as well as a majority of my friends because of this. Who in their right mind would choose that? I love my family and have missed them being around in my life but I did not choose to love a girl to defy them! It happened that way! I have tried numerous times in my lifetime to have feelings for a man to please my family but it has not worked. I can’t make myself love someone just because the world things I should. So what makes it right to deny me marriage to someone I love? I don’t recall asking any of your pastors to officiate the ceremony and I never asked anyone who doesn’t support it to be in my wedding party. Just ignore me if you wish to do so but don’t tell me who I can and cannot spend the rest of my life with… KEY WORDS: MY LIFE! Thank you
**I apologize for my misuse of the words concerned instead of considered and things instead of thinks***
I agree with you completely, and if you don’t mind, i’m going to use part of this in a report that i’m writing about legalizing gay marriage. This is beautifully said and i’m glad that there is people like you in this world. Thank you so much!
Homosexuality is wrong and everything else as well! I too did shameful things BUT I REFUSE TO SAY I WAS BORN THAT WAY! I loved fornication (with women) and I couldnt help it! Will I say “Well I was born this way so I’ll continue fornicating!” By all means NO! I fight those passions and I have overcome them! You too can do the same and live lives of abundance! You must first break down your arrogance! Our righteous God will not show his grace to such! I tell you this for the love, because I dont want anybody devoured in Hell…therefore I stand firm on Christs words…We must fight and overcome..Truly I tell you He is worth fighting for!!
But you were born that way – its basic biology. Sex is necessary for reproduction and if it weren’t enjoyable humans wouldn’t be so prone to do it. So yes dear, you were born that way. It’s society and surrounding that encourages repressing these urges.
you are all gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!
let me ask you all a question
would it be “messed up” if people started to fall in love with animals and wanted to get married to them?
that would just me verry wierd sorry to say
It’s called pansexuality – and can expand past living things and onto the inanimate object as well.
wow cant oyu just leave poeple alone if they want to be gay let them its not you choice what they do leave them aone
You are absolutely right that its not my choice, but when I see people fall victim of sin, especially if they claim they know God, I choose to warn them and reveal truth
you can really learn from your problems not everybody is perfect not anybody is im not so dont treat them like shit they ant in your life so leave them alone they just want ot be happy but they cant with you in the way
Hi there “minnieoreo”, I believe you were referring to me. Nobody is perfect, you are right. Me Treating people like feces may have been a tad bit of exaggeration. By all means, I seek to treat people as I would treat myself! I love being corrected and being set on the right path! So I choose to do that for others as well. If I am brought into a situation, I refuse to allow anybody to continue life thinking that homosexuality is right! Its wrong! But if my words fall on deaf ears, I will mind my business and continue my walk with Christ.
thank you just understand i am bisexual and i really dont get y people treat me like shit i am a human bean ant i so are you
That’s funny. You come across as one that believes he does no wrong more so than love being corrected. You walk on your water, the rest of us will swim as we were “born” to do!
JD Excuse me sir but it seems as if your pretty guilty of your sins!
That would be ma’am to you, Mr. Perfect. and I don’t believe I ever stated I was not guilty of sin. Not sure where that came from. You just seem so angry and defensive to me. Trying to convince us you are Christian or yourself?
Doesn’t your bible also state not to follow blindly doesn’t it? “I love being corrected and being set on the right path!” That seems to me that you like being told what to do so that when your “judgment day” comes you can stand by and say that you were only following orders (or “commandments” as you would probably put it) so you won’t be liable for your own choices.
ALSO, being a slut “I loved fornication (with women) and I couldn’t help it!” is entirely different then being gay. Even when you are “slutting around” you are still accepted by the general society and probably givens “props” by other guys for “getting all the ladies.” No one is born a slut. You choose to be that way. Unless you were raped you always had a choice if you were going to sleep with someone or not. Being gay, on the other hand, it NOT a choice. No person in their right mind would CHOOSE out of the blue one day to be discriminated against, hated and punished (physically and mentally) on a daily basis just so they could love someone of the same sex. That is not a choice. And if it where then you would of had to make the conscious CHOICE to be straight. However I am going to assume that when you started to notice a sexual attraction to someone it was something that just happened. You didn’t choose to want to fornicate with women that was mealy what your found attractive to you. But the fact the you had to clarify in your text that you only fornicate with women would bring one to feel as is you were possibly hiding something. Most homophobes are actually gay but can’t admit it to them selves of the world
Gay marriage is not going to lead to people marring animals or objects, “Ok so after Homosexual marriage is allowed, whats next? Marrying animals!?!?!?!” That is the most ignorant thing I have every heard in my life. The only thing it will bring is long over due justice and equality to ever man and women in this country. With the recent passing of gay marriage in New York more states will follow. The only advice I have for you “JAEO” is if you don’t like it, get out.
if u have nothing better to do than try to change people’s opinions on their sexuality. you need a life. im all for believing in something. and i believe that people choose homosexuality, but i also believe poeple are born that way, Do you think people who are homosexual WANT to be harrassed? no. so obviously its not a choice they made. but doesnt everyone want to be themself, and not pretend to be another. supposedly god lovs everyone..because no one likes to be ridiculed. i understand that the bible says certain things, but not everyone believes in god. and YOU, JAEO have no proof anything in the bible is factual. did YOU meet god and all the other indiviuals who wrote it. NO. you didnt. have YOU met Jesus. no you have not. For all we know an insane wackjob could have written the bible. It contradicts itself ALL the time. And why would they go to hell?? the bible says anyone can be saved as long as they believe. im not dissing what you believe in. but STOP telling poeple what they believe is wrong. If it bothers you so much. ignore it. seriously. do u have nothing better to do than to criticise how people live. worry about YOURSELF!
oh and another thing. life is an adventure. people are supposed to figure out what their calling is. make mistakes. discover things. Do you believe EVERYTHING your mother tells you, or ur bestfriend? your wife? these are ppl you love and trust and have spent alot of time with. But no one believes everything one person tells them. youve never met god, or jesus. so why do you believe EVRYTHING in the bible. Im not saying its wrong, im not saying its right… but here are tons of different people in the world. are you making the choice to hate them becuz they like the same sex? your missing out on alot of friends… sucks dfor u….what im saying makes sense… dont cha think?
let them live the way they want to and you do the same leave people alone just because they are happy because of something you dont agree with leave it alone
Statements you have made have already been explained…. Kinda like talking to a wall
I was going to use this site for a report that I am writing but after reading some of the comments I do not think it is a good source. Some things that are written, most specifically by JAEO, are hurtful and not factual.
Hey you don’t say that! homosexuals haven’t done anything to anyone sooo grow up!
I stumbled onto this website researching for an AP project and I started to read the Comments. I’ve grown up in a town where a lot of my friends parents are gay. Well. I’m involved with theatre, so I don’t meet a lot of straight boys my age either. I’ve grown up where most people didn’t care about that stuff. We all just loved each other for who we are. My really good friend has two fathers who, even though he has graduated two years ago, will still come to all of my theatre shows and bring me flowers. Then they stop me on the street and tell me that they saw another production of the play I was in, and I was twice as good as the other actress. I can’t imagine those wonderful people burning in hell.
I would also like to mention that my mother is a pastor at my church and has performed 3 gay weddings. Jesus loves everybody. We eventually left that church because they supported prop 8 and wouldnt let my friend Scott into the building. Doesn’t the bible say not to judge another? That’s God’s job.
As far as I’m concerned, as long as you live a good life, and make smart choices, God will care more about that then anything else.
It’s sad that a 17 year old has this all figured out, and loves people unconditionally, while adults still fight and argue and judge. I hope my generation gets it right.
To all gays, please know that I am straight but I support the right for you to be happy, marry, adopt kids if you want, and live your days normally. I am straight but I support gay marriage cause marriage is about love, not gender!
This questions is for all the Christians… how do you even know that God is the Almighty One? You don’t. I’m a proud lesbian who has served this country. People like me gave you the right to practice your religion. Are you going to discriminate against God if man revises the bible again and makes Him out to be gay? I doubt it. Would it make a difference if the priest that molested those kids only molested females… or was he only punished because he did those heart breaking acts to males? All of which he felt he was doing in the name of the Almighty. Don’t get me wrong, I stand strong in my faith, but at the same, God also stands strong in the faith he has in me. I help protect his children, myself as well as others alike, risk our lives so people like some of you can sit there behind a book and cast judgment onto others. Don’t ever forget that, because their ARE homosexuals like myself who fight for you even if you fight against us.
if anyone here dosent like or agree with this or thinks its unholy and we are going to hell then continue to read .why are you here then? why would u come to this page And the bible dosent really speak out aagainst it you wont go to hell for it because itss tecnically not a sin god made all people equal its not a decesion its not what a regular 5 yr old boy or girl wants to go to the park and have feelings for there friends so if u wanna say the bible says its wrong then go read the bible and and then slap yourself because u wont find anything because ive read it already and i really hate to use this word buh ignorant uneducated ppl these days.
Homosexual justification……THoughts like this get everybody! I f people would just seek God and ask for forgiveness with a sincere repentant heart. You’ll be amazed how powerful Gods holy spirit is! But screw me (as you would all say)….Continue in your stubborn attitude of your sin that serves no good
Well screw you then because we (gay ppl) are this way and we always will be we were never and never will be straight yes God is powerful but have if ever youve seen someone go from gay to straight its not possible have you ever seen God bring a man who has been dead for years back to life no sir..thank you and please keep ignorant comments to yourself and if (which i wont) go to hell i will c u there..jackass
There is not a damn thing wrong with being gay. No one chooses it. Do you choose to be straight? No. So everyone is gods children. Dont try and act like you know who god is and what he wants. Go read your bible again. God loves everyone. Not just you.
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So im reading a lot of this convo, and its really well said. but someone said gays are born this way so we have to change are orientation as we grow up and thats what the bible said. Im gay, and I know the bible really well, it also says every born child is innocent so why would god want to pick out random new-borns to be gay. my answer to that question is that god loves everyone because he created you. being gay is not wrong its just how your born.
Let me first say that I am a christian. I was taught to love all people no matter what their stuggles are. I am bisexual. I know both sides of the arguement very well. God gives us the right to make our own choices, but in doing so he also lets us suffer those consiquences. Yes he does view all sins the same. but depending on the sin the consiquences might be different on earth. Our choices are a result of how we think, Several different factors come into play that developes our thoughts. what we see, hear, and our own creative mind which he gave to us. no one can pinpoint why all bisexual and gays decide to be with the same sex partners but there are some common contributing factors. some are forced upon us by society, sexual experience and many others. And some come from fantasizing in our mind, what our brain focuses on. Familiarity breeds complaciency. Something about that lifestyle or that other body excites us. its a choice , god loves us all, he has dissapointment, but loves just the same, and those people that condemn and judge will be condemed and judged in return! He tries to reveal his want for us but gives us the freedom not to do it and whatever choice we make he lets us have the result of those choices! he is our dad, loves us regardless of our choices no matter what!
You are not christian buddy… Christians live as Christ live… Im sure Christ wasn’t bisexual… And yall dont understand that you water down God’s wrath with his statement of LOVE! He loves those who obeys his commands! IF you dont obey his commands, you are not one of his, you are children of the devil! 1 John 3:10
We shall see who burns in hell. Might want to read the bible again if you want to call yourself christian. God is the only one that has any right to judge us. So you trying to judge us for how where living is pretty much saying you are as holy as god. And you def. are not.
Some people say all judgment is wrong by singling out the verse “Judge not, that ye be not judged” (Matthew 7:1). It is true that there are certain forms of judgment that we are not meant to make. The above verse is referring to one of these forms. However, there are instances where the Bible says that we need to judge. We need to read other verses and not only the one above.
Correction is not judgment, as the Bible says that we should correct, rebuke and be bold to those who are sinning. It is to be done in an act of caring for them in the hope that they will believe. That way we could contribute to the saving of a soul. If we don’t, we could be responsible for suppressing the truth, which could mean eternal death instead of eternal life for that person. “James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.”
You are not crrecting or rebuking.. you are judging and doling out damnation. that is not your place. My God will judge me and i will take his judgement in peace of mind. you though should rethink. You are not my God nor ANY God to be so cruel. i do not serve nor follow you. Christianity is not pure. Christianity is not clear. Christianity is not righteousness. Christianity is LOVE COMPASSION AND A SENSE OF CHRIST! Christ himself may not have been Gay. But he loves us all regardless. do you admit your God so flawed as to created imperfection. that he could screw up so enormously that he created something outside of his image? you cannot play the “Satan created this”. IF you do, you admit your God’s weakness against the Evils of Satan! God does not screw up. Satan is NOT in my heart or soul. i am not possessed. My God loves me. As does Christ! You need to slow your roll and actually LEARN your Bible. Not just read it and have it preached to you. The bible was written in HEBREW.. ORIGINAL AND OLD AND INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO SYPHER Hebrew. Historians still are not entirely sure of some of the translations. such as that of lying with another man in a womans bed. i do not claim that you shall burn in hell. that is NOT MY PLACE. nor is it yours.
I am extremly confused to why some uneducated and excuse me for this one ignorant people who know nothing of the GLBT culture are making accusattions of something supposedly our God or your God says being gay is a sin.. really ? My Grandfather is a pastor and belive me when i say My God never spoke anything of that genre into existence so maybe we weather you are straight or gay dont worship the same God and when judgmentment day comes all of us will have sinned some worst than others and when God tells me or anybody else im going to hell or heaven it wont be because i decided to date and fornicate with someone of the same sex.
See this is how people want Christians to be… People who are nice and naive and doesn’t correct anybody when people fall short. I speak the way I speak because you all are proud, arrogant, idolaters who rejoice under their bondage of sin! Me even spending time here to correct my neighbor is love not hate. I dont wish for you all to die and burn in hell. I wish for you all to get to know your true reason for creation and then seek more truth to live in abundance! So what if you dont believe in the bible… Homosexuality is against nature! That should make sense in itself! You all think your right, and those who support it, you think your the good guys… and Im the bad guy for speaking truth and you all hate the truth because you hate God and love evil. So continue to justify so you can feel good about yourselves all over again. Let those who have humble hearts take heed to these words and woe to those who are slaves to the god of this world the devil. May you all find grace from God our father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Im signing off
I’m not sure why I would respond to such an arrogant post, but why the hell not. Well JEAO, many people like you don’t have the brain capacity to support logic and reason.
HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A CHOICE. People are born gay. Sexual orientation is decided in the womb-certain levels of hormones exposed to the fetus determine its sexual orientation. Higher levels of androgen masculinize the fetus. A study at Stanford Uni on rats proved this. Female rats who were exposed to higher levels of androgen attempted to mount other female rats. Males who received insufficient levels of androgen were more submissive and allowed other males to mount them. Voila, HOMOSEXUALITY.
Research has also proven that the hypothalamus (the part of the brain that controls sexual desire) of a homosexual differs from that of a heterosexual.
Last, there was a study conducted on MZ or identical twins, DZ or fraternal twins and non-related adopted brothers. They found that 52% of MZ twins were both self-identified homosexuals, 22% of DZ twins were so, and only 5% of non-related adopted brothers were so. This evidence, repeated and found to be true a second time, showed to the biological camp that the more closely genetically linked a pair is, the more likely they both are to exhibit gay or straight tendencies.
So, when you say that it is not natural, you are mistaken. Your notion of what is “natural” is derived from an outdated book, which has been revised numerous times, intended to moralize society and prevent naturally occurring chaos. Yes, America is considered a Christian country. We are a strongly divided nation. There are those who live in fear and are desperately trying to preserve America’s puritanical values while imposing their unfounded views on others (i.e. YOU), and there are those of us attain knowledge through multiple sources, NOT what most logical people perceive to be a FAIRY TALE (i.e. the bible).
i think this about the most societally correct post you’ve put. about time. has it occurred to you that YES ITS AGAINST NATURE… but have you even thought as to WHY?!?! because back then they didnt have invitro or surrogacy or any of the advanced science that God himself has allowed today! God has allowed us the mind capabilities to develop such wonderful creations! Back then a woman lying with a man was the only way to conceive… this is not true within our society today. women could live independently without the existence of males in less than 50 years! though, i’m not all for THAT but its a truth. back then man and woman was all that could possibly make sense for the continuance of man kind. now that is not entirely necessary. God nor Jesus nor any of God’s senders have come upon us to warn us of wrath and destruction of our doings. Scientific nor Sexual.
you are not a bad guy for speaking the truth.. we dont hate the truth. you are the bad guy for passing judgement that is only deserving of God’s realm. you are the bad guy for preaching at us for our sins (wether committing or supporting) when you yourself betray your Lord and Master by passing unlawful judgement. believe me when i say that i understand your intentions! because whole heartedly i do! and i honestly admire you for it! but you cross your lines with your judgement. you are not WARNING of us of the damnation we are coming to. you are condemning us for our feelings and actions. I will not bow to you and call you God. do not act as though you are righteous in your actions!
With 5 minutes of research I was able to discover 144 animals that participate in homosexuality – I’m sure with more time I could discover hundreds more. So, if you shall accept it as evidence, homosexuality does in fact occur in nature.
As a matter of respect i actually think everybody should leave God out of it drop the conversation and mind your own buisness because nobody here knows what goes on in other ppls lives and nobody knows other ppls struggles point blank period and out of respect let it go and move on with your life because you HAVE NOT had a person conversation with God and i was raised to respect everybodys lifestyle and descisions because you cant please everyone its not the world we live in.
In the bible it says you shouldn’t plant more than one crop in a field. It also says you shouldn’t wear clothing made of more than one material. You’re not supposed to cut your hair. Women aren’t supposed to wear pants, nor men skirts. So should we go tell farmers they have to only grow one crop in their field? Would you like to go out and try to find clothing made of only one material? You want to grow your beard to your knees? Want to tell UPS they can’t issue women a uniform because it’s a sin to wear it? I’m sick and tired of people picking and choosing what’s ok and what isn’t ok to follow from their book of faith. How about YOU guys go live your lives and let us live ours. Oh, and don’t forget, though I’m pretty sure it was previously mentioned, in the bible it says “all sins are equal in the eyes of the lord”. So seriously, if you’re going to follow it, follow it all. Another thing… I really LOVE how it places homosexuals in the same category as rapists and murderers. I am homosexual, and gee… I suppose I better get to raping and murdering people… guess I’m a slow developer!
thank you
And I SERIOUSLY hope the sarcasm was detected in that last sentence of my statement. I am a 31 year old scientist with a clean record, two beautiful sons that I have with the woman I want to be able to marry, and oodles of wonderful family members and friends who support me. Oh, and to that fellow Jeao… you are speaking YOUR truth that YOU read in YOUR book of faith. You don’t share our views, some of us don’t share yours. It’s the way it’s going to be. You speak to your congressmen and women, we’ll speak to ours. I feel in the end, I will be able to marry the woman I’ve been with for years because people are finally starting to realize it’s not right to TELL people who they can or cannot love. And science shows we don’t CHOOSE this for ourselves, btw. Sure, I LOVE how my father ignores me because of my lifestyle. Again, feel the sarcasm there people.
And don’t forget to add New York to the list… Senate just passed it and Cuomo will be ready to sign it in a month… FINALLY gay and lesbian New Yorkers will able to wed! Great Job New York!!!
First of all… Eric… come on. Tell us the truth. How happy are you really, denying that part of you? It is NOT a choice. Science has proven it. I’m not trying to be mean, but goodness! ANYONE surrounding themselves with large amounts of like-minded people will follow that crowd. This too, is scientifically proven! So surrounding yourself with straight people might make you feel this way… well, I don’t need to tell you what I’m sure you already know deep down inside.
As to homosexuality being UNNATURAL: actually… it isn’t. At all. Look it up. There are PLENTY of animal species who practice homosexuality. Is it a majority? No. Neither is it with humans. But we are being noticed more because 1. We have a voice and 2. We are taking over the planet and extincting entire populations of animals in the process. But I don’t want to get into science versus religion here, because I could definitely, easily anger the religious there… my intentions here are to try to get EVERYONE, even people with religion, to open their minds and see the scientific facts behind homosexuality.
I meant to put caps on that VERSUS. It isn’t about fighting… simply about proven fact.
So 40 percent of you think its ok for us to get married but 80 percent support gays being in the fucking military are you kidding you want us to die for a country where we aren’t even free. Wow that’s fucked up. You can all suck my big gay cock.
And now, New York becomes state number 6 — amazing! With gay marriage legal in New York, can the rest of the country be far behind?
legal for how long the government sucks before you know it it will be just like prop.8 and be nothing but a out dated law i wouldnt get too excited
Ah, the voice of pessimism! And as far as California’s Prop 8, that’s still going through the court system, might very well be declared unconstitutional, which would then throw all “no gay marriage” laws around the country into question. Wait and see.
I can only hope things would get better than worse
So JEAO, who would your God allow people with AIS (Androgen Insensitivity Syndorme) love? Complete AIS means the person is genetically male, but physically looks female. If the (AIS) person dated a female, people would think they were a lesbian couple even though the person with AIS is genetically male, BUT if the person (with AIS) dated a male technically it would be a homosexual date. If you “choose” not to believe me, look it up for yourself. Oops, so much for God only creating male & female. Learn some REAL science & stop preaching nonsense.
do you happen to know the name of the condition for the opposite? my house mate has genetically proven that he is a she with a he body. so technically he is still a he but is internally a female.. so he’s not actually a crossdresser… correct? and he’s a lesbian because he’s only attracted to females? even though she is a male? ugh.. confusing.. im totally okay with it but i feel ignorant. i understand the literal side of it.. but some of it still confuses me.. help please?
It is a great feeling to know that 6 of fiffty states are now allow people to live there lifes like everyone else. I have read some of the other comments and i can say i have read the bible thru many times there are a lot of places where it goes against what it has said it chapters before im not a bible basher or a bible thumper. I just read up on what books say. As for it being a choice or being born being gay im 21 in july and i can say i have liked the same sex since before i could walk it its a choice i am not quite sure i could have made a choice at such a small age. I just cant wait until the rest of the united states pulls out there two faced plug and undersatnd thats we are just the same we dont choose who we fall in love with
The statement “Gay people make up 1-4% of the population in most cities, but are more concentrated [PDF] in metropolitan areas.” is an incorrect conclusion. The data measures the number of gay couples that self-report being coupled on a census form, not the number of gay *people* in cities. Given that some gay people are single, the number is certainly higher.
Okay “Alice in Wonderland” and anyone else who believes people in the LGBT community shouldn’t have the right to get married because of the Bible, have you guys actually read the Bible? If you have then you would know that you’re supposed to be forgiving and accepting of ALL people. Not all STRAIGHT people, it means ALL people-including the LGBT community. Just because you are taught in church that you shouldn’t accept this people, you should be able to think on your own and not blindly accept the words of those who claim to know everything about God’s words. There isn’t one part of the Bible that is more important than the other, so the acceptance part is equally important. By not accepting the LGBT community, you are going against the Bible. Also, you’re not supposed to lie. I’m pretty sure you have lied once in your life, especially “Alice in Wonderland” considering that’s what your name says. Perhaps you’ve even had premarital sex. Who knows? Therefore you can’t accuse the LGBT community of going against the Bible when you yourself are going against. Regardless of what the Bible says anyways, RELIGION AND POLITICS SHOULD NOT BE MIXED. Just because your Christian, it doesn’t mean the whole America is Christian. Your religious beliefs shouldn’t dictate the lifestyle of others who don’t share the same beliefs as you. And believe it or not, some people in the LGBT community ARE Christian/Catholic. Besides, if they get married, they aren’t doing anything to you! Are they causing you impairment in anyway? NO. Are they restricting any of YOUR rights by getting married? NO. But YOU are restricting THEIR inalienable right, the right to be equal! If they aren’t hurting you, you don’t have a reason to object their rights.
WHERE IS THE DAMN “LIKE BUTTON” ?!?!?!
I would just like to say that the bible says a lot of things. To follow every rule the bible says would make you saint. You are not supposed to eat shellfish or get drunk. So says the bible. Stop judging people. Worry about your own damn lives. Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t make it evil. It makes it different. Try talking to people before you write them off. Some of my best friends are gay, and trust me…they don’t choose to get food and condoms thrown on them at lunch. They don’t choose to be called a faggot. My friend Damien told me that he wished he was straight, it would be easier, but he can’t change who he loves. NO ONE should wish they were someone else. I will fight for gay rights til I die. I love my friends just the way they are: Gay, Straight, Bi, Transgender. Fuck anyone who tells them to change! I hope JAEO is listening because it’s people like him who make my friend Damien fear for his life on the way home from school. I wont tolerate someone judging him who has no idea the beautiful and kind person he is. That goes for everyone.
Learn to accept that this is the world we live in it wasnt built by you nor for you learn to accept what ypu cannot change or walk away people will never see eye to eye on this subject as much as i hate to say it we all know its the truth have the strength to know when you accept yourself and you dont need anyones approval that you wont care what anyone thinks whoever is reading this always remember if you think there is nobody in this world that loves you God does gay straight transgender or the ultimate sinner and his love is stronger than anything anyone could ever say or think about you …even if you are here to call me gay or call me names i dont know you but i love you and i respect yo and i can only pray that you that are here to make fun gain a little self respect.
Learn to accept that this is the world we live in it wasnt built by you nor for you learn to accept what you cannot change or walk away people will never see eye to eye on this subject as much as i hate to say it we all know its the truth have the strength to know when you accept yourself and you dont need anyones approval then you wont care what anyone thinks whoever is reading this always remember if you think there is nobody in this world that loves you God does gay straight transgender or the ultimate sinner and his love is stronger than anything anyone could ever say or think about you …even if you are here to call me gay or call me names i dont know you but i love you and i respect you and if are here to make fun i can only pray that you gain a little self respect.Then you can begin to respect others lifestyles annd decisions beecause if you dont i really dont see how you could ever make it in this world.Conversations like thesse cause suicide so please drop the subject for common peace we migght not like your lifestyle and you dont like ours we get it we’ve had it we’ve known its over nobodys going to win now drop it let it go .. before you ruin your health.
Well I wouldn’t want anybody to kill their self… but the point of the matter is that the generation to come and the one after that and so forth, are being influenced by this madness! Ill put it out on front street, I believe homosexuality is pathetic..(no offense) but your talking about dropping it when these series of comments is no different from the world. This will never end, and sad to say but homosexuals will always be looked at as abominations…Simply because its against the fundamental laws of nature…Nice soothing comment with all the love you were talking about… it was beautiful!…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..Ok everybody we are back to the real world again! No lie, homosexual marriage will probably be fully legal by the next decade or so, but just remember who is the god of the world… 2 Corinthians 4:4 check it out ya self, So don’t thank God the father when homosexual marriage is fully legal, thank the devil
well i have read the bible times over as if it were a magizine i posed once i will do it again my grandpop is a pastor i go to chrch every sunday so maybe you should go read 2Corithians 4:8 and you will see what you said makes no since because that part of the bible sounds like you were defending my belifs but i am here to be honest so im not going to lie as i first began to realize i was gay i thought it to be an abomination too and also i dont think God is gonna cast anyone to hell for being gay because the first ten commanments are the worst you can break and
God will be looking for major sinners not an innocent person that was confused because we are confused our whole lives as to why some ppl are attracted to the same sex and some not and my God would never bring ann innocent baby into the world with later thought to be what was taught to be and thought to be an abomination.
What do you mean this coming generation is affected by this “madness” are you afraid homosexuality is like the mad cow disease and everyone’s gonna get it? HA! If you mean that kids are being affected because there are more gay parents, well yes, they are. Who says that’s a bad thing?
Homosexuality happens among animals (in nature) a lot! How much more natural than “nature” can you get? Fundamental laws of nature? Well, homosexuality is part of the fundamentals!
That doesnt come off as respectful because of how you worded it or else i would agree but it sounds a bit insincere wouldnt you agree?
Because it sounds like your saying being a homosexual or homosexuality in itself is like being an animal your saying it began with animals then pread to us and i respect you because i dont kno you but honestly that came off as ridiculos idiotic and ignorant
Let me try to clarify, my comment was in answer to JAEO who wrote that “homosexuality is against nature”. I was trying to make the point that homosexuality happens IN nature, so how can it be AGAINST nature? Does that make better sense? I didn’t mean that being homosexual was like acting like a “wild” animal.
“Reader Discretion” — As far as 2 Corinthians 4:4, you seem to be automatically assuming that anyone who believes that homosexuality is NOT a sin must be an unbeliever. I happen to be a believer, and do NOT believe that homosexuality is a sin – and if you try to deny that I am a believer, then you would be guilty of being judgmental – it is not for you to decide and declare who is or is not a believer. As far as who has or has not been blinded to the light of the gospel, had you considered that those who want to point fingers at the gay population and yell “sinners!” might be the ones who are blinded? I would suggest that you be more careful in choosing your words; for instance to say “homosexuality is pathetic” and then “(no offense)” is ridiculous – declaring homosexuality as pathetic cannot be anything but offensive to the gay population, with or without the parentheses. You are free to your opinions, but you must realize that you are speaking from your own perspective and there are many who will disagree with you. And be careful using scripture as your defense – remember (recalling the Temptations of Christ): even Satan knows how to quote scripture.
^ OMG im lovin itt
this made me giggle! i love it!
Ok i got i just needed that clarification to stop all the nonsense thats been going on here i mean hell i seem more mature and yes im a gay 20 yr old and half the people on here are acting ridiculous let it go . thats all i was saying but i do totally agree with you.
Reader Discretion”-….Your a Bitch..(no offense)
For anybody who may have said “Being gay is a choice”: Think about this. Let’s say I’m gay [which I am] and now I’m standing on a bridge ready to jump. IF gay is a choice, and so is suicide. Why, in the right state of mind would anybody say “Instead of being straight, I’m going to kill myself”? If I could make myself straight, why wouldn’t I do that instead of jumping off of a bridge? See, the reason gays commit suicide is because the feelings they can’t control, are looked down on by society. I believe in God, 100%. I also believe the Bible is just a book. One that I don’t give a shit about. God can judge, though he doesn’t. Nor does he give any man, or woman the right to do it for him. Yes, God made man and woman. But, he also made them straight. Obviously there was a reaosn for that. So they can reproduce. He made me gay. Obviously, I was meant NOT to have kids. But I want some, so I’ll adopt one day. I’ll adopt little black babies who are starving in Africa. Because not only do gays know how to live, they know how to love. But then you have people who love nothing more than the Bible. Pathetic.
So now we get the name calling! Great! We must look at the facts
-Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the “gay bowel syndrome” (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus
-Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. —-Today, homosexuals account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population.
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I know the exact website you took that off of and those stats are completely bias to the fact the they are from a website affiliated the catholic church.
-The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75
“Reader Discretion” — I’m glad you’ve decided to stop hiding behind the Bible, but now you’re trying to hide behind false statistics. Perhaps you don’t know the old adage: There are liars, there are damn liars, and then there are statisticians. Play with the numbers, and you can make them say whatever you want. You won’t tell us where you’re getting your numbers, but I’m sure you’re you’re basing some your statistics on the work of Paul Cameron. You must realize, however, that he calculated his figures by checking urban gay newspapers for obituaries. But, as others have pointed out, this produces an unrepresentative sample that includes only those who die; gay men of the same generation who live longer aren’t in the sample at all. The sample also is biased toward urban gays who have come out of the closet; there are many men who are gay, but are never counted in the gay population because they have not openly declared themselves gay, and whose lives and deaths are never chronicled in urban gay newspapers. You can’t apply statistics to an entire population unless you have done the work of drawing your statistics from a representative sample. Follow this link for more: http://www.hypersync.net/mt/2004/10/life_expectancy_of_gay_men.html
-The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79
This is a false “fact” and any bit of real research (even on Wikipedia) will prove it completely misleading as you are attempting to use it. It does not prove your argument, rather the misuse of it simply reveals your character. Reader-discretion-advised: Jesus commands you to not bare false witness against your neighbor. Stop it. Obey the Lord, or else you know the outcome of unrepentant sinners.
-About 50% of the women on death row are lesbians (12). Homosexuals prey on children.
Correlation does not imply causation.
The homosexual community has no morals…There are High Rates Of Sexual Promiscuity… It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of homosexuals, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us!
Reader discretion advised – You realize that there are far more heterosexuals in the world with AIDS than there are homosexual, right? It is true. Simply go look at the international numbers who are infected.
Where are you getting your so called “facts”? Pat Robertson or some other fundamentalist religious leader? Whom, BTW, only care about power & control over other people’s lives, oh & their money!
So I suppose you all would support NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)… A group of Homosexual pedophiles who do exactly what you all do (to get their pathetic beliefs and feelings legalized)… So yea, Men were born with an attraction to little boys! Now I’m sure you wouldn’t go against that! Thats who they are! They were born that way!…(yea right) -_- Can we please be real here for once?
Considering homosexuality is between to consenting individuals, your little comment here has no ground. And NO ONE is born with the attraction to a child. That comes from having traumatic experiences, usually as a child that has ruined their psyche. They sir are little sick. There is a disfunction in their brain. Most generally have some other type of mental problem as well. Don’t even try to compare homosexuals and pedophiles. That is a war you don not want to start.
In fact, the majority of pedophiles are white, heterosexual, men.
Also, though not condoning or condemning this fact, since ancient Greece older men have been taking young men under their wing to help raise them into an “adequate man” – these relationships did involve sex.
It is NOT called gay marriage, it IS called EQUALITY MARRIAGE. Get with the program! Only those who judges people are weak, in accordiance of the bible. Perhap closed mind conservationists need to talk with their parishoners, pastors, counselors. By the way, there is such thing as separation from the church and the states. Who we marry isn’t up to people of our community. It is up to the couple. We have a right, as the equality marriage passed in NY, I couldn’t be more thrilled. God never teach you to hate people, judge people, committed adultery,you did that on your own or you learned from your parents. Same way, you learns how to swears.
What’s does NAMBLA have to do with homosexuality? None! NAMBLA choose have sex with underage slaves(children being bought(not brought) from another country for education and otherwise, sometimes undocumented) minors of either boys and girls, are not related to homosexuality. People choose have sex with a minors is unjustified, sick in their head. That’s pedophile, not homosexual. Kind of reminded me of history when older man married a minor of 8 or 12 years old. This is long before pedophile and satutory rape was ever come in effects.
What does AIDS have to do with gays? AIDS does not come from gays, it was there many years before the scientist found a name for that disease, it was there like yellow fever, polio, chicken pox. It have nothing to do with the gays. Even hetero people get AIDS from a hetero people.
It is NOT called gay marriage, it IS called EQUALITY MARRIAGE. Get with the program! Only those who judges people are weak, in accordiance of the bible. Perhap closed mind conservationists need to talk with their parishoners, pastors, counselors. By the way, there is such thing as separation from the church and the states. Who we marry isn’t up to people of our community. It is up to the couple. We have a right, as the equality marriage passed in NY, I couldn’t be more thrilled. God never teach you to hate people, judge people, committed adultery,you did that on your own or you learned from your parents. Same way, you learns how to swears.
What’s does NAMBLA have to do with homosexuality? None! NAMBLA choose have sex with underage slaves(children being bought(not brought) from another country for education and otherwise, sometimes undocumented) minors of either boys and girls, are not related to homosexuality. People choose have sex with a minors is unjustified, sick in their head. That’s pedophile, not homosexual. Kind of reminded me of history when older man married a minor of 8 or 12 years old. This is long before pedophile and satutory rape was ever come in effects.
What does AIDS have to do with gays? AIDS does not come from gays, it was there many years before the scientist found a name for that disease, it was there like yellow fever, polio, chicken pox. It have nothing to do with the gays. Even hetero people get AIDS from a hetero people.
pedophiles are no different… Dont come telling me its because of “traumatic experiences”. The same way its disgusting and dreadful with pedophiles, is the same way with the homosexual community…So what do you have to say to those “heterosexuals” who were raped and abused(traumatic experiences) and turned homosexual because of those instances? Its all in the same of cesspool wickedness…And lets speak according to you all “You cant speak against the way someone was born, its unconstitutional and wrong, they were born to be attracted to same-sex children! Homosexuality sounds the same way…
“Reader Discretion” — you like numbers, so try these: In one study, in 1992, two physicians reviewed every case of suspected child molestation evaluated at Children’s Hospital in Denver over a one-year period. Of the 269 cases determined to involve molestation by an adult, only two of the perpetrators could be identified as gay or lesbian. The researchers concluded that the risk of child sexual abuse by an identifiably gay or lesbian person was between zero and 3.1%, and that the risk of such abuse by the heterosexual partner of a relative was over 100 times greater. Follow this link for more: http://www.robincmiller.com/gayles4.htm
Thats because the homosexual community is only 2 percent of population!
You see, here we go again with the problem with statistics – it all depends on whose numbers you’re using. For instance, in a Canadian study involving 750 males, age 18-27, they found that 15.3% reported being “homosexual to some degree” – so, does that mean 15.3% ARE gay? Examining the sample further they found that 14% had had voluntary same-sex contact; by self-identification there were 11.1% total, including 5.9% homosexual and 6.1% bisexual; and those who had been involved in exclusive (4.3%) and non-exclusive (4.9%) same-gender sexual relationships in the past six months, for a total of 9.2%. If you don’t like the Canadian numbers, how about in the U.S. where one study reports that 3.5% of the American adults identify as gay, lesbian, or bisexual – and that doesn’t include those who ARE gay, but don’t identify as such when asked. So, I don’t see any numbers there that come close to your 2%. Besides, even if it were as small a percentage as you suggest, what you’re really saying is that the percentage of those involved in pedophile cases came very close to the percentage of the total population, not the large majority being homosexuals, as you seem to have implied. Two strikes….care to try for three?
You give Canadian stats? Waste of typing space? Surely! 2 percent was my personal estimate, and you say 3.5, well i was pretty darn close! The truth is pretty evident! I must clear things up ! Im not a homophobe. I just really dislike how the homosexual community justifies their perverted lifestyle. If they knew what they desired was wrong and they stayed away from that lifestyle, I would have much more respect for them! I do perverted things as well, but I don’t justify and say its OK. I mean come on, men have their genitalia for a reason and women have theirs. Men’s private was not made for the anus of another man nor woman! Its quite odd how someone could be turned on by that, unfortunately, people develop those desires very deceptively by Satan. People will do what they want and its a very sad story. Im pretty sure you will continue to justify, so continue…Im outta here
Alan, You are my new favorite person. We should be buddies.
Ah, dear Reader Discretion, do you really enjoy it down in that hole you keep digging for yourself? You’re going to dismiss all Canadian statistics out of hand? Are you as much anti-Canadian as you are anti-gay? And, no, 2 percent is not at all close to 3.5 percent when you’re considering national statistics. For the U.S., that’s a difference of about 3.5 million people – quite a significant number, I would say; I am glad you’re willing to admit that you are getting your numbers out of the air – it makes it so much easier to dismiss all of them, completely. And you say you’re not a homophobe, but yet you keep using the word “perverted” related to being gay – using highly charged, negative words applied to the gay population IS homophobic. As to the rest of your points: homosexuality has to do with physical attraction, and something called love, not the limitations of physiology. If you were to limit your arguments strictly to physiology and biology it would be one thing, but when you start applying words like “perverted” and “sin” you have gone beyond that to being morally judgmental – try to learn the difference. And now you make justifying seem as if that were sinful as well – but, what you don’t get is, as far as U.S. law, that is what it is all about – not about flinging made-up numbers and mis-applied scripture, but about justifying, leading to justice. And, as far as gay marriage is concerned, that’s all the gay population wants: justice. I would say “strike three” but you seem to have accepted that already with your final “outta here” – don’t let the screen door hit you on the way out.
So now because i choose to live my life without harm to anybody im gay?? Really I think that you might be gay and dont wanna admitt it to yourself..
Hahaha you tryna put that mess on me? Naw, even if I did have attractions to my same sex, I believe I would very well overcome it through the gift of the holy spirit! I would be made new! Too bad everybody doubts the Lord Jesus Christ…
She’s has a slight point.
Many people have difficulty explaining something they have never experienced. You seem to think you know what youre talking about however whether or not you’re making up for the fact that you yourself are a bit confused is not for me to determine.
I’m a scientific person though and I can’t argue with psychology.
Ohh so you know what it’s like to be gay? You’re psychic? Didn’t fucking think so you judgmental pile of endless hypocrisy.
Reader discretion advised, where are you getting this bunch of hogwash?
Personally, I find this page so enlightening.
I being a bisexual teen have been through many experiences that shaped the way I feel about religion. Growing up, I always knew I was different. I went to church. I read the bible. But I liked boys. While everyone else liked girls. Without even acting on my homosexual impulses for fear of being rejected from the society that I so eagerly wished to conform to, I already experienced discrimination. From family. Friends. Everyone. I was 4 or 5 years old being called a faggot when I had no idea what it even meant to be gay. I cried myself to sleep and begged for some help. I wanted nothing more than to conform to the ignorant society that was rapidly developing around me. Now if any one person can tell me how I chose that path Of fear and humiliation I will get down on my knees and declare I’m straight. It will never happen. I didn’t choose my sexuality, it chose me. Whether or not “god” intended for that to happen is above me. I’m 16 now and I choose to live my life in the open for people to judge and condem me and love me for. I dot believe in an unkind or uncaring god, thus, I do not believe in god. The torment that a LGBT member undergoes, even as a defenseless child, is not kind. I will never knock the beliefs of another human being and I respect each and every comment on this page. However, I chose to be happy. I chose to real. But I didn’t choose to be gay. I would also like to point out that nobody should group these “Christian extremist” with the rest of the Christian population. The majority of Christian people I know support each and every decision I have made in my life and i respect them all for that. I love everyone. Even of they don’t love me. Personally I believe it is us teens destroying the sanctity of marriage, not us gays.
Would love to hear more facts. This page is really great and thank you to all of the heterosexual supporters. You’re all a dream cone true!!!
-Aaron Phillips
Aaron,
You have expressed beautifully just what it is like to be gay in this society, knowing it wasn’t a choice but yet to be continually bombarded by a segment of society that declares it is, and that the gay population should just stop being gay — such a foolish idea. The only line in your comments to whcih I would bring up an opposing view is when you say “I do not believe in god.” I, for one, do not believe in the way God is represented by some people, but I DO believe in God, within the definition that I find within my understanding of both religion and physics. The God that fits within my understanding of the universe (which is far from complete!) would never be as narrowly judgemental as some people paint him to be. I have always liked a comment made by Mahatma Ghandi, made after he had carefully studied the New Testament: “I very much like your Christ; I do not much like your Christians, but I do like your Christ.” — that sums it up quite well for me. I wish you well in your struggle to find your place in society — I think, and hope, that will get increasingly easier.
Aaron! that was truly beautiful! and oh my goodness i have to entirely agree!!!!!! its teenagers with no guidance of parents. i cant say its PARENTS faultttttt but it its influence by a lack of knowledge and guidance and parental involvement.. teenagers are running rampant and creating chaos. we’ve been forced to grow up faster than some generations but we take it for granted and make bad choices because we think we’re just oh so grown up.. it typically bites us in the rear ends! i’m not saying ALL teenagers are ignorant or irresponsible.. but goodness we as PEOPLE in GENERAL are the cause of the defilement of the sanctity of marriage.. not a “”"kind”"” of person. the gay community is “”"SO SMALL”"” according to sooo many.. how could the gay community be responsible for something so enormous and world wide… its just silly!
I’ve found this page really helpful for my research project. For those of you needing other resources, I also found this other site helpful: http://www.gaymarriageresearch.com
Thanks for the info!
Alan…Your comments have been absolutely refreshing! Thank you!
After reading all the posts here, as well as comments that follow other articles, I have come to the conclusion that there is far too much “hate” in society. Comments that express animosity of Christian toward non-Christian and visa-versa, white toward black (or any other race) and other races toward white, men toward women and women toward men, heterosexual toward homosexual and homosexual toward heterosexual, political party members toward people of opposing parties, one religious faction toward another religious faction (and the list goes on and on) are running disturbingly rampant throughout the world. All the negative needs to stop…where is the positive? Where is love? The capacity for love is within us…I can only hope that we all will choose the positive benefits of expressing loving words, thoughts, and feelings toward one another rather than choosing to let all the negative attitudes bring about our own self-destruction. We can all disagree, but let us do so from a place of love, not hate.
I have been reading a lot of the comments on here and there is a lot of talk on the bible as an excuse for why people shouldn’t accept gays and lesbians. I am no way a religious person but i have read the bible and it say no were that we cannot be with a person of the same sex. I know that it talks about how marriage is between a man in a woman, but also the bible states that you are supposed to love thy neighbor. Also the bible says that we were all made from Adam and Eve, that we are all decedents from them so if you go by those standards then we are all brothers and sisters and we are all having sex with family and that is wrong. The bible also states that you are not supposed to kill and there has been countless murders of homosexual people. I live in a small town and not many people aren’t homosexual compared to a lot of other places in the world, but when someone is killed or takes there own life it hurts. It hurts even more to think that just in the past few months there has been 3 teen suicides in my town, two were from depressed homosexuals. There has been way worse things going on with the world, things like the Anthony case, and War, Famine in other countries, The tsunamis, Earthquakes……. the list goes on and on but it seems to me that people forget that there are these horrible things going on when they are trying to fight homosexual marriage and other rights i feel we should have. I just had a big controversy with my girlfriends family and its getting out of control, i just think that everyone should just get along and forget that your son or daughter just happens to be with a person of the same sex. They should be thankful that they are alive, healthy, and loved. I think that it is our souls that connect us to a person not the way they happened to be made. So people just get over yourself. I know I’m just another small voice in a big dispute but I’m also a believer and i think that if man can survive millions of years and keep advancing then we should be able to accept homosexuals.
I think the Catholic-Christian community today is very misunderstood when it comes to gayness. I, being a Catholic myself, disapprove of gay marriage. But that doesn’t mean I think any less of gay people. I have a few bisexual friends, and know many gay people. I would never stop being their friend because they are gay. I get a lot of heat for being against gay marriage, though. But what people don’t understand is that Christians are not against gay PEOPLE. It’s not about gayness, it’s about marriage! The Catholic church, and I’m sure other Christian churches, was one of the first organizations to stand up for gay people. They preached acceptance, but the sanctity of marriage must be preserved. There are still some reasons why gay marriage is wrong that I do not fully understand, but I am praying about it and trying to get a firmer grip. God does not hate gay people, He loves us all. There is nothing I am more sure of. I trust my faith. I could go on and on about this topic… but my message is to turn to God if you are questioning your orientation, or if you already know it even, and ask what His plan is for you. Also, there are different degrees of sin. A white lie, for example, is in no way, as bad as murder. So you can’t say that lying about someone’s name on a website is like being homosexual. I don’t even think the state of being homosexual in and of itself is sinful… I think it’s acting on it, that is. I am not prejudiced… but I am conservative in my views. I hope you all are less judgmental of people such as myself who do not approve of gay marriage, because there’s more to it than you think. ~God Bless~
Morality does not change overtime. Gay marriage is wrong. But I hate when people say that homosexuals are “damned to hell” because that is simply not true. I’m sure some of them will go to heaven and some won’t just as straight people do, but it is not entirely based on orientation! We are judged on how well we have loved others, forgiven others, etc. Instead of instantly criticizing a church’s or person’s point of view about gay marriage being wrong, look into WHY they believe it is wrong. And different organizations/people have different reasons. But don’t let people who say gays are damned to hell ruin Christianity for you, because that is not Christian morals talking at all.
@Alice in Wonderland.
You have your opinion, and thats okay. But here is mine;
I don’t believe in religion, I don’t believe in god. I don’t believe in hell or heaven.
But since you do, thats okay.
I think/know in MY Heart that gay marriages are good, fine, and nothing wrong with it.
Let them be happy, let them enjoy life. ITS THEIR LIFE
Okay, as I read this I can’t believe how closed minded you people are.
This is america, do you understand that this country is free.
Everyone has rights, and yes everyone has feelings, but jesus, your really going to sit there and judge other people?
God? Who is he? Some story thats been told to many people.
I’m not religious nor am I going to bash you for believing in him.
That is fine, its a free country to believe what you want.
I love Gay people. One of my very best friend is gay, and I fully support him.
People will bash gay people for spreading AIDS. Alright, its a disease, and yes it kills people.
But straight people pass diseases too.
Gay people are allowed to be who they want to be. So who are you to judge them?
Religious groups get mad when people bash them for believing in god, and that is a problem as well.
But what gives you the right to bash gay people for being gay? You don’t have that right. Noone has that right!
Noone should tell someone else that they can’t be who they are because of their sexual orientation.
I am a 14 year old girl writing a research paper about legalizing gay marraige. Matt, you are a huge insperation about my paper. Thank you for saying beautiful things that you did.
Greetings,
I am a proud gay man, living and loving my sexuality. When I was growing up I always knew I was different from the social norm in this world, and back then I didnt know what gay or a homosexual was. I was too young to understand it. This in its own says alot to why homosexuality isnt a choice. A young boy, being that I was, does not know the difference between two sexualities nor would he understand it either. However, feeling more comfort towards a boy than a girl shows desire, interest and love to the same sex person.
For years I never questioned it because of the social misconceptions and negative attitudes the world had towards us. It was until I lost my gran, my parents and five of my six sibling in a car accident early 1999. This tragidy changed my outlook in life. If I wasnt going to accept it now then I will never know how fore filling my life would be like, by embrassing who I am.
My (now) only youngest sister and I stay together. she fully accepts who I am, and loves me more for showing that I havnt any shame to hide, for being homosexual.
When I came out then, I felt as though I was lifted from all weight I was carring as a result from it. I felt as though I was a new man. To this day I often wished I came out alot earlier to my family when they were still alive.
As for the bible, well, Im not religious, not because of my tragidy or homosexuality, but because a GOD is a GOD of love and the human race teaches us to fear him, for fear is what pulls us back into line or social order by judging, hating, discriminating and commanding authority (YOU WILL or ELSE!!) attitude.
A GOD is a GOD of understanding, love, acceptance, creation, joyfullness and willingfullness. ONLY humans judge, hate, discriminate, command, rage and fight because we CHOOSE to do so, just like we CHOOSE to believe that we are ALWAYS RIGHT and NEVER WRONG! What good is this if we continue this way?! What good are we showing OUR GOD if we keep pointing fingers and throwing stones at one another’s humanity?! WE ARE WHO WE ARE!!!!!, gay, bi, straight, race, sex, six toed, four fingers, etc. We CANNOT change what is, but we can change how it will be!
This is how I see it!
Thanks for reading guyz!
Currently my partner, and I of 6 years, intend to get married next year. I love him unconditional and I dont see how our being married could be a problem for others who are homophobic. Its not their life, its ours (gay society) and we have just as much happiness as everyones does. So there is no reason why we should be allowed marriage! A gay/lesbian couple has equal amount of love to that of a straight couple. In the end it is ALL the same, because LOVE is LOVE and how does gay marriage affect anyone who apposes against it! After all, if you dont want to be involved in the gay society then why are you complaining about it. How does gay marriage influence your life?! Must you hate homosexuals so much that denying them their happiness will make you a better person?! This then will say alot about you, how narrow minded you are by putting on your blinkers to allow what you WANT to see, and not what is REAL around you!
My personal opinion to all this, is that if any person has a problem with any form of society, then its his/her issues, not mine or ours. They will be their own problem in the end as life will still go on, the sun will always rise up and people will forget about you. We are a changing world, a changing humanity and we ALL are forced to grow and change with it so why fight it, THERE IS NO POINT!
If we look at a homophobic person this tells us (gay society) that either this person has had some sort of hidden feelings towards the same sex, or that this person has a friend/family member who came out of the closet at probably the worst time in this person’s life, affecting him/her’s grace towards this person (outted man/woman) in a negative way.
So what I am trying to say is that for every cause/blame there is a reason, and if we discriminate anyone its because we have our own PERSONAL ISSUES about it that has SOMEHOW affected our own life in a negative way. Basically deal with your issues, and let them go, why hold onto crap!!! ITS NOT WORTH IT!!
Anyway, I hope this made sense
See ya
This is amazing. I’m writing an argumentative essay for my final paper in my English class on same-sex marriage (its due tomorrow) and between Matt and Eric (can I just say wow!). There’s so much debate on same-sex marriage but the bottom line, I think, is that at the end of the day people cannot impose their opinions on others. America is supposed to be the country of freedom, free choices, freedom of speech, equal rights … free to love whomever we want.
Regardless of what I think, this site has helped tremendously =)
America will experience God’s wrath, Just like Sodom and Gomorrah. Such perverse sexual lifestyles…
Not sick, instead…pure of heart which is what I believe is God’s ultimate goal. This is not a moral issue except for matters regarding love and companionship. I can never conceive of God wanting for any human-being to live a life without love and companionship. Try to consider it a civil rights issue. Therefore, it is truly possible to enable same-sex couples the right to choose marriage without the need to justify it morally on grounds of faith.
No actually you are the sick one. That simply is not fair to tell a person theyll go to hell when they die. Its really not.
i like girls and thats the end of it….i feel it in my soul
God has create men and women to get known each other and get marriage to get next generation to replace the old generation. If the homosexuality is legal the population of the country will decrease all men will be face the extinction of people. All religion also prohibited this homosexuality because god known what human need in this world. Nowadays we cannot think ourselves but we must think to the next generation. Marriage men and women are needed to growth the population, and it replace us someday.
People need to learn to grow up shut up and speak truth and love…I’m not going to be the example because I’m far from perfect and guess what so are all of you…in the bible it states that we all fall short of the kingdom of God and if we turn from our sins and believe in our heart that Jesus is the son of God and was sent down from heaven and rose from the dead then you will inherit the kingdom of heaven…I feel no need to go against gays it’s just that I will not partake in what you believe nor will I force my religion down your throat but I will say this god has high standards that we all fall short of so I have no better chance to get into heaven then you do and if you commit one sin you’ve committed them all so repent and turn away from it please I plead with you to repent…and to Emberly yes you need to figure out your calling but you need to get confirmation from God…also the you’ve never met God or jesus statement it’s relevant to situations today were person talks about another and they refuse to let it go like these comments none of you met eachother but you choose to get offended and argue none of you will be the person to judge on judgement day so do what you need to do to prepare for it may God either bless you or strip things away from you until you realize his will way and purpose for you
I believe such behaviors threaten the fabric of any society. The reason homosexual behavior is considered an abomination in the Bible is because such individuals forgot God and made thier partners and own bodies thier idols and they worshiped the sex act -it became their god! In many gay relationships the passions are so overwhelming that it controls every thing else int heir lives. Gayism is more addictive and seductive than crack or ice.
I’m a 16 year old lesbian, that only came on this site to look at what states and and my girlfriend could possibly get married in, but instead I scroll down and see all these negative remarks made against myself as a homosexual. I want everyone to know that I was indeed born a lesbian. I remember my first crush, in preschool, named Rachel. So, just because you were born good enough for the bibles standards, does not mean that any of us homosexuals should burn in hell, or die for our choosings. To be honest with you all, I would personally love to be straight, I’d love to have children with a man and have a perfect family, but I just can love the opposite gender of myself. To me, it’s disgusting; and it’s even more horrifying when a male shows his genitals. I do believe in god, and gods expectations for all humans, but I will not live MY life unhappy to make HIS life more appreciated. so, please don’t attack homosexuals anymore, we go through enough without you guys.
Wonderfully Said! I wish you all the luck on getting married! : )
Well Im a big ol homosexual wiccan, take that in your pipe and smoke it!
Goddess bless you !
especially with the knowledge of when to shut up!
I<3Being GAY
Oh, and im engaged to another homosexual wiccan, of my same sex. And weve been raising a child together since conception .
They gays shall inherit the earth!!
LOL
Peace
and stay strong with who you are, unless who you are sucks *cough* bible thumpers **cough*
Well, I don’t not like who I am, I love being a lesbian, and I love my girlfriend. There’s no doubt about it; but, I still don’t like reading about all these ignorant close minded people telling me I should burn in hell and such. I haven’t done a thing wrong. I haven’t gotten in trouble with the law or disobeyed anyone, or anything of that sort. I show respect as I want respect shown to me.
yes ,you are right when you say, stealing is just as bad as being gay. and yes Jesus forgives the soldiers that crucified him, because Jesus said, Father forgive them, because they don’t known what they are doing. On the other hand you already known that homosexuals known what they are doing.
Let the word of God be true and every man a lier. We as Christians do not have to defend the word of God, it can stand all by itself. [Romans 6:23] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. [KJV]
I know what you are thinking, everyone is going to die, but this is not what this text mean. It means your sins will seperate you from God and you will spend eterinity seperated from God. Look people this is not a game and it is not up for debate, you have the freedom of choice, choose wisely.[Romans 10:13] For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. [KJV]
[Romans 10:9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. [KJV]
I agree with you Ran
The research counts same sex households as gay?!? Wtf? Guess i must be in the closet with my housemate. Such biased research. The LGBT community would love us all to think there are more of them. The reality is that they’re just trying to normalise and expose something that should stay behind closed doors. To the Christians – stop using the Bible to justify your position. We don’t all believe that God/god exists let alone that he/she/it expressed themselves in an old book.
Almost forgot…. To the Wiccans – you make the Christians look sane.
I like that these aren’t mean or biased, just facts:)
all lesbians are dirty, filthy, diseased infested brainless pigs that need professional help bad. sometimes i wonder why god created such filth. very poor judgement on his part. see even god makes mistakes.
I cannot believe that you are rude and idiotic enough to even say that, Franko. First off, God does NOT approve of others judging. Luke 6:37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.” so it seems like your in the same boat as those ‘filthy, diseased infested brainless pigs’ and you too are a poor judgement on Gods part. Being athiest and straight, I’m sure I’m not as offended as a religious lesbian would be but I very much am assuming that whatever religion you are, you’re going to that hell for being so blatently rude and judgmental.
It doesn’t matter what sexuality you perfer. But it matter’s when kids are exploited, and pick curiosity, then leaves them to the shadows of self destruction. Gay people shouldn’t exploit themselves as being the right way to be. And in every religion gay marriage is not accredidated. Because of the willingness of non-argumentive teachings it has lead our country to except the concept of being nieve. That is why God is putting the U.S. through sanctions, and public turmoil. Our country was in good standing at one time now it’s a falling road that’s been judged by our stupid actions. If your gay your gay. There doesn’t have to be a dramazation following the abomination. The whole world is laughing at our soldiers now. Watch how many problems this is going to cause. God is the almighty and creater, his creation is not circumstantial and should be heeded wisly. Just stop overdoing the circumstance, and we as people would be a healthier country. It’s your problem that you have to answer for stop letting the devil of the toung destroy a whole nation. If your gay you’ll grow up that way, hopefully not hurting people in the path. But let that be how it is. Stop draging a whole nation into your sin. You know how to deal with it being an individual, or a couple. And it’s like every sin all go punished, but other’s aren’t out there cursing and acting with an outspoken obseen character. If they are the human laws punish them. I just say watch behaviors aroung the youth. There frame of mind is still requesting information, and they are common to learn ways before there time. Let the youth grow up to decide but atleast give them the chance.
Why would you laugh at a group of Physically fit people with guns, tanks, and neucular weapons… unless you know your and IDIOT or something… WHO you love has NOTHING to do with how well you can perform in the military.
all gays and lesbians are very sick people to begin with. two gay people getting married together is totally wrong, and should be outlawed.
You are a low life piece of pond scum. I myself am a gay teen attending high school. I get perfect grades. I have never been in trouble with the school. I have never been in trouble with the law. I have never drank, smoked, or done drugs. Now with that said please get your facts straight. Not everything in your little world id correct. Not every person is sick. I will admit that there are some Homosexuals out there that do give us a bad name, but the majority of us are pretty good people. There are straight people out there that are pretty sick, but I won’t get into that subject. That if for another day. Write me back at [zacharyesp@gmail.com] when you feel that you can justify any further answer.
I am doing a persuasive speech about the affects of gay marriage and this website has helped me so much! I myself am a lesbian. It’s something that I was born with. But at the same time I do believe and love God, but I am not a christian. I think it’s wrong to down someones lifestyle choice no matter what it is. God doesn’t want all the christians and believers hating people for what they are. He created all of us to be different, and honestly I think it could be a test to see how many people really do love unconditionally. All the haters that are reading this, just remember, Jesus was friends with the sinners and the tax collectors, and God loves everyone. No matter what they look like, their gender, sexuality, nationality, or any other reason. So if you want to be a great example of Jesus Christ, follow his example of love: make it unconditional.
I keep reading about “Watching out for the youth, Keep our children away”
Well in my opinion, get over yourself.
Children are still learning things, and even adults are still learning. But keeping our children away from Gay, lesbians, and bisexuals…. really?
I’m not saying go and find these people. But you don’t have to act like they are chemicals that are going to ruin children.
12 year olds are having babies…Clearly its things that they learned about. And the parents probably didn’t want them to know about that stuff yet.
People need to open their eyes and understand that whether you want or don’t want your children learning things, they will. If you don’t teach them, they will learn from someone else. Also if you shelter your child, your only hurting them. Cause eventually they will leave home and learn a lot!
The world is changing and people need to accept that. Because you complaining on a website isn’t going to stop it.
Marriage should be for EVERYONE! It shouldn’t be denied.
Another comment; about specific sexual orientated people.
Anyone can say that about anyone or anything.
For example, KKK thinks African American people are gross.
Okay? Thats YOUR OPINION!
Any culture, race, sexual orientation, religion, etc can be gross is someones eyes.
But don’t bash them. That is who they are! And what they want to be.
Love everyone.
My initial instinct is to reply to franko, however there simply is no reply. I can respond to comments that contain some sliver of logic and reasoning, be it based on religion, statistics, or something else. I, unfortunately, cannot respond to franko’s obviously heinous verbal diarrhea of ignorance. I can only say, “Wow…”
The majority of the comments seem to pertain to legalization of same-sex marriage. First and foremost, One cannot argue against the case stating that marriage is between one man and one woman as sanctioned by God. I fully realize, through living in the Bible-belt, that few churches would allow for such a ceremony. We, the LGBT community, are striving for equality. It seems that the problem is that the issue is calling it gay “marriage.” DON’T CALL IT MARRIAGE! I know that calling it by another name will still cause some concerned citizens considerable angst. What should be understood us that we are looking for a legal contract to enter into which grants us the same rights and recognition LEGALLY as heterosexual married couples. As we are seeking out a LEGAL contract between two people, the religous arguments are null and void. Do not forget that the nation was built on freedom of religion and separation of church and state.
Another argument is that the sexual act between same-sex partners goes against nature when speaking anatomically and procreatively. A Live Science article (http://www.livescience.com/1125-homosexual-animals-closet.html) describes a museum exhibit titles “Against Nature?” which presents 51 animal species exhibiting homosexuality. The article states that homosexuality has been observed in more than 1500 species. While it may be true that I cannot have sex with my partner of 6 years and create a child, our love and stability has brought two little girls and a little boy into our home. The first little girl has been here for 2.5 years and will likely stay. Her mother was unable to get her life together to support her daughter. We offered to keep her until she gets her priorities are straight. The mother comes to see her occassionally. The little girl wants for nothing. The second little girl is here temporarily until CPS helps her get her utilities turned back on and she has a stable job. The mother is fighting a drug habit as well. The is 12 and came to stay with us while his mother was out-of-state with her mother who was on her death bed. He was here for 4 months. While I cannot have sex with my partner resulting in children, we do have chilldren. And should we decide to have one of our own, we will use a sperm donor to do so. My point here is that homosexuality IS natural. You cannot argue against that when it has been observed in countless species.
I am a spiritual woman. I believe in God. My God believes in love. I know that when certain sermons take place, I am in the minds of some of the congregation. I do not care. My thoughts are that in a world with so much evil and hatred, try to focus on the good. Focus on the love. My unconditional and undying love for my partner is true and pure. Someone said it is the love of the sex act and idolizing the sex act that makes it a sin. Mine is a mature and strong relationship. While a healthy sex life is part of it, it is only a small part. There are so many other things in our relationship that make us strong. We have stood together in the face of discrimination not only because we are lesbian, but also because we are inter-racial. We have faced discrimination from family, friends, and strangers. We lean on each other and take care of our family. As long as I have love and give love, no one’s judgement can touch me.
I don’t know much about the bible or what all it says is wrong. i just know the basics like the 10 commandments. But I have 2 gay friends and 2 bisexual friends. My 2 gay friends are guys and 2 bisexual friends is a girl and a boy. Before I even met them I have supported same sex relationships. I believe that homosexuals or bisexuals have just as much as a right to be happy as me. I am really disappointed to know that only 6 out of the 52 states allow same sex marriages. This is supposed to be the land of the free. Shouldn’t that mean that homosexuals or bisexuals should be able to get married in whatever state they want to? I don’t say I live in the land of the free,because I don’t, if I did then that would mean that every state would allow gay marriages. Who do people think they are to tell some of my best friends who they can or can not marry or date, who do they think they are to tell my friends that they are nasty,a disgrace, or not normal due to their sexuality. I don’t see how the people that are homophobia’s can live with their self. Its a part of life,they are going to run into homosexuals or bisexuals at some point. They can’t avoid them.
You are dead right in that God is a God of love, His very nature is love, see 1 John 4:16. God loves you so much that He sent Jesus, his Son, to die for you and take your sins upon himself. “All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.” Isaiah 53:6
Iniquity is sin. Jesus took our sin upon himself so that we do not have to bare the punishment for it. Sin is sin, whether it be stealing, lying or homo-sexuality. Jesus took it all upon himself.
“For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:23 The whole world is guilty as far as God is concerned, but it does not finish there! It continues;
“Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,” Romans 3:24. This does not mean that everyone is automatically justified, or declared righteous by what Jesus has done, it continues on and in Romans 3:26 says “to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.”
GOD IS THE JUSTIFIER OF ANYONE WHO PUTS THERE FAITH IN JESUS! No one measures up to the perfect measure that God has, that is why we all need a Savior. God does not expect us to get ourselves all sorted out and be “free of sin” before we come to Him, rather Jesus says “Come to Me, all you who are weak and heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” Matthew 11:28
Jesus saves, Jesus heals, Jesus restores, Jesus is the answer. Who ever you are; come to Jesus because he has come “that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly” John 10:10
Will you just listen to what you say “Sinful Roots”. I don’t believe that men are born with the authority of eating meat that stretches out. OHH, and In, leave it to a Woman. Your desires, and sexual fuck’s rely on more than just a woman you crave the feeling of compassion, in a manly way. May-be your dad was a fuck-up, or your mom’s “friend was a fuck-up too”, who knows how it went. Why do you want to take a womans role if you despise them? I don’t care how many original religions you re-search same sex intercourse been going on BUT not same sex marriage. If you want to save the U.S (US) then slow it down. I don’t care what you do it’s your life, just don’t get other’s caught up.
Personally, I am heterosexual. Though I may not know every word or line from the bible I do know this, love is love. People say you can’t control it, it just happens. Why should we disagree with what gender others’ choose. I know that when I meet someone, I fall in love with who they are as an individual. I do believe that their is something inside of us that can determine what sex we are attracted to. I do believe that every sex should have the right to marry. I don’t understand why people can not accept something that has always been around. Just because people feel comfortable enough with their relationships& in their own skin and are willing to marry,& if you don’t agree, look the other way though we should embrace this. Everybody is different and if we picked apart everyone for things others’ did not accept, we would not be ourselves. I am very good friends with a gay, and yes, I don’t pretend to know what he is going through when he is constantly being talked down to in our small southern town, even though he isn’t flamboyant, people still know because he isn’t ashamed of the way he was born. All I know is when he looks at a man, that’s who is attracted too. And I am happy if he, and everyone else in this world is happy. Everyone deserves love, who are we to put a gender on love anyway. We should allow them to make their own decision in marriage because they have a right to it, just like a male and a female. And if they are in love, let them be.
This shouldn’t be an issue of whether or not being gay is sinful or not and what the Bible says. This is a matter, basically, of what they are allowed to do. They exist, and always will, and to claim it is sinful and to DENY them rights is absurd. According to Christianity/Catholicism/etc, everyone is born in sin. If that’s true, then what the hell are we arguing here?
Like I said, this shouldn’t be a debate on religion and sin and crap. This is about giving people the rights they deserve. Don’t like gays? Don’t be gay. Don’t like gay marriage? DON’T HAVE A GAY MARRIAGE. Stay out of people’s business, yah? I’m pretty sure no straight person here would like being told they couldn’t be with the person they love because SOME people view it as “sinful”. Ridiculous.
This comment is meant to insult no one. I am bisexual, and an atheist as well. I believe that people can believe everything and anything they want to. And what I believe is yes, society uses religion to manipulate people to their views everyday, so as to control them. While everyone I saying that god created us all, I prefer to look at it scientifically. Man+woman=baby. Homosexuality could possibly be in our genes, or it could be predetermined by an unknown factor. The bible only applies to those who believe in it, and some people think that telling gays that they will go to hell, it will convert them back to heterosexuality. That won’t happen. Sorry. If this so called “god” created us in his own image, he is most likely bisexual. Therefore, every homophobic christian is a hypochristian. I am not atheist because I am gay either. I do not hate whatever higher being there is for making me this way. It depends on what you believe in honestly. However, no matter what religion, gender, sexuality, race you are, hating is inexcusable. Blaming it on a book men who could have been under the influence wrote, is just throwing your morals as an induvidual away.
Hello everyone I’m gay I’ve been with my girlfriend for 5years now and we would love to get married but it’s those people who don’t understand gays or choose not to understand gays is making it hard for us. I don’t vote on your life why should you get to vote on MINE I should get to marry who I want and not be told it’s not legal how is that fair. It doesn’t matter who you love, you can’t control who you fall in love with. You should not judge people gays already have enough problems some of these people’s families don’t accept that they are gay or maybe try to change them it’s not something they choose but we have a right to be happy just like everyone else, I found someone that I love very much and I hope everyone finds their true love too and not listen to the prejudice people.
Homosexuals don’t vote on Heterosexual lives.
So heterosexuals shouldn’t vote on theirs.
The bible is a bunch of words. Your choice to believe in it or not.
Don’t push the bible on to non followers as non follwers shouldn’t push their beliefs on believers.
ANYONE of any race, sex, etc can believe in ANYTHING that they choose to believe in.
And ANYONE can act on any sexual act they want too. (That is appropriate.)
Even if that means, a man is with another man. & woman is with another woman.
Love is Love. <3
lol love is love? how the heck is that love? love is when a man can stick his penis in a girls hole? do you think lesbians can do that ? no.
Love is love.
The definition of love is; Feel a deep romantic or sexual attachment to (someone): This definition said absolutely nothing about restrictions on love. Love is free, and nonjudgemental. Many people should learn from this.
“Love is when a man can stick his penis in a girls hole…” You mean vagina, were not 12 anymore.
Sex is when you can stick it in a girls hole. I’ll dumb down the vocabulary words for you.
Love is when you can share experiences, and participate in activities with your spouse.
Lesbians may not be able to penetrate eachother with their own bodies. But love is not SEX. They are emotionally and sexually attracted to eachother for a reason.
Now try a better approach and don’t waste my time.
I just wanted to say that I am a logical person more than a religous person. Growing up in a catholic home and spending from kindergarten to 12th grade in a boarding school for girls. I see what is natural. Its is natural for a mother animal to kill her young for being sick or deformed, It is natural for some speices to feed off of its own kind once it passes on, It is also natural for some mates to meet and stay together til death. IT IS ALSO A NATURAL OCCURENCE THAT ONE GENDER PREFER THAT OF ITS OWN GENDER!!!! bottle nosed dolphins, orcas, some beetles although I forget which ones all have been recorded mating with the same sex. As far as the bible goes…God created nature how can you think so hateful when something happens so effertlessly, every person in the world has sex but not everybody really loves….why destory that over something that is easy to come by. A quote from George Carlin (for anyone who has ever been married) Gays should be allow to be married and as miserable as everyone else.(LOL) Also, in a world where people have “drank the Kool-aid”, believed in many gods, performed sacrfices, torture, sell children into sex slave trades, and at one time believed that spiting on a wound would cure it, one would think that people would realize that 9 out of ten times they are wrong about what they read or at least how they end up understanding it. I mean seriously if there is a god I dont think hes impressed.
Why can only man and women make babies if gays are normal? Also, why would a gay want to be married when marriage is based on a man and wife and is also a very religious event?
Because God is a homophobic jackass, looking through one side of the glass.
Marriage being only between a man and a woman was NOT set in stone.
It doesn’t matter how “religious” marriage is, kay. A lot of people have many different opinions, and MILLIONS of people have different Gods and those different Gods have different opinions. Everyone is believing in one person’s belief, see. And most of them are ignorant. How is it my father is not religious (he is Atheist, like myself), and he still married a woman? NOT because a God told him to, but because he wanted to spend the rest of his life with her. And guess how my sister and I came to be? HUUUHHH. Why was adoption made an option? Why do girls give their babies away? HMMM. Until you can answer these questions, “CuriousOne,” stop asking your immature, unrelated, illegitimate ones.
CuriousOne, maybe not everyone see’s getting married as a religious event. Things are changing and in a year or two, being married won’t be based on a man and a women. It will be based on two people doing what makes them happy in life and being safe with that decision, regardless of it they can have children together or not. What will everyone that hates gays do when its legal in all states to get married and they have just as many rights as straight people? Will you be angry at God for making them and making the judge who will approve it all? Being gay will become a social norm and everyone will have to get over it because God doesn’t approve of anyone judging another just as much as you all think he doesn’t approve of gays.
It seems to me that this document is obnoxiously long. However, I have the audacity to lengthen it further. The statistics here are unbiased; they are simply stating what the United States Census reported. Therefore I find it ridiculous that there are so many comments on the morality of gay marriage. Our comments will not change these findings. Perhaps we should continue the discussion of morality on a separate forum, or on the individual blogs I am sure all we super-opinionated web-people have. Better yet, why don’t we all take off the mask of the internet and have enough faith in our opinions to take action? Personally, I am using my real name, instead of an arbitrary pseudonym designed to hide me from the ramifications of my beliefs.
As a straight American with few religious ties, I believe that this is the land of freedom. I believe in the separation of church and state. The state should not regulate such a religious institution as marriage. I believe that all unions, weather Male-Female, Female-Male, Male-Male, Female-Female, or a union of multiple partners should be recorded by the state as ‘civil unions.’ The term ‘marriage,’ with all its inherent religious bias should be eradicated by the state. If a couple (or more) people in love wish to declare their union a ‘marriage,’ they should consult with their respective religious leaders.
Thank you for being open-minded and accepting.
on the note of peoples’ fake names (including mine)
Many Homosexuals have a hard time divulging the fact that they are LGBT. Either because of fears of persecutions or personal insecurities. I just hope that you do not view us the closet-dwellers nor the homophobes whom line in Narnia poorly for our insecurites.
Everyone on here making such disgusting comments on how “wrong” being yourself no matter who you love is, are making me sick. First off, straight people are involved in anal sex as well; it’s not just gay guys. All of you religious people, I respect you, believe what you want, but wouldn’t God accept everyone, gay or straight? Are you really going to completely base your opinion on what you read? You sicken me with your hatred just because you read it in some book. Grow up. Love is love.
No matter what other people say about you, whether it’d be things of hate and aggressive actions, you are still loved by God. Remember, this will never happen but it does because of human free will. And human will sometimes not only makes people choose to do good things, but bad things as well. God is a being that understands your joy and pain, and He sees you as something precious to Him. When you hear words and ancient texts of hate and abomination, do not listen! Trust in the future, because in His promise and the good people that fight for our rights, it does get better <3
i’m doing an essay for my friend i found it necessary to stop inorder to make this comment, i’m 18 & homosexual, i come from a very religous foster family. i’m also adopted, i have a mother and father so i raised in a typical heterosexual home. i was also raised in a church enviroment and to believe in god, i felt closer to them than my family. honestly the things that i’m reading are making me sick to my stomach i dont understand how you people can have the heart to say some of the things you say.. i’m lucky very lucky to have parents, i’ve never met my brothers or sisters. but i’ve heard stories of them being molested and abused by foster parents and orphanges, i would give the last breathe in my body to change places with them for just a day, maybe they can be the child my parents wanted better than me. it’s ridicolous, homosexuals have been fighting just as long and hard to be equal longer than anyone else and are still today being treated like complete shit and you have the nerve to say they can’t be married or that they’re an abomanation? the only thing i see that’s an abomanation is that people are able to vote on someone’s marriage and it’s the people who arent even going to marry the same sex but are voting against it when you dont see someone homosexual voting against it but you see plenty of heterosexuals supporting it , those heterosexuals are strictly against it because it’s against their religous or moral belief and mainly because it’s not effecting them, well wait till it’s your child being beaten or called a faggot & if it hasnt effected you then, then you had no right to bear life to something you wont protect. it’s your responsibilty as a parent whether you agree with your childs sexuality or not. both of my parents are exteremly against and unsupportive of my feelings of the same sex so don’t try to say “they didnt raise me right” because they both firmly believe in their beliefs disregaurding mine. i have no effect on their beliefs just like they don’t mine. i tried for years and years to be what they wanted, i tried so hard to be heterosexual, when i was 14 i went to the extents of being babtized and trying to change my attractions towards woman. i lied to them for years about my sexuality i went as far as forcing myself to be with boys and having sex with them, then one day i woke up and realized i’m gay, i am HOMOSEXUAL. i dont like men sexually nor romanticly. i love woman. i find them so attractive and beautiful, i strongly admire women and how strong of people they are and that forcing myself to have sex with men is rape, i’m not saying they commited rape but i myself did because i did not want to have sex with them, i felt like i had to because that’s what was what i was raised to believe is right. as i matured i found that is so wrong on so many levels. but really i want all the women and men to think about this imagine finding someone your inlove with of the oppostie sex . loving them. marrying them. and having a family with them and then later finding out they were never attracted to you nor inlove with you at all and had to make themselves live a lie to be accepted in soceity,by their family, and friends. how betrayed and disgusted with yourself would you feel? wouldnt you have rathered them been truthful from the start and addmiting they were homosexual instead of decieving you to believe other wise.that could have been me in the future and that very well could have been you i’m telling this to. now imagine if you were my parents reading this. you find out your daughter forced herself to let a male penatrate her when she had no sexual desire towards men. you and certain people in society forced her to believe this was right. point of the matter is that this was very unnaturel and disgusting that someone took my innocense and virginity when i had no remote attractions towards them and i willing bargained my virginity in hopes of being heterosexual because i believed this was the correct way of life. people say things like “homosexual’s are pedophiles” well i can’t speak for every homosexual but i can speak for myself, i want to have a wife and i want to have children for one soul purpose because that’s what makes me happy, i dont want this to just to go against someone’s religous beliefs or to offend anyone, but this my choice i’m the one who has to spend the rest of my days on this earth and before i leave here i want to be able to love and protect my future family, i want to give my children the love that i was neglected of. i want them to know mommy and mommy loves them and will do anything in their power to protect them gay or straight.
You are now my role model. Your writing is to the point. It has touched my heart to the point that I was crying for at least 20 minutes.
I agree with kirsten
LOVE IS LOVE NO MATTER WHO ARE YOU WITH
Well, I recently came out as Bi, and have already had to deal with a lot of descrimination from my deans at my highschool, which has been hard on both me and my girlfriend. When you learn science, biology, chemistry etc in school, it is kept seperate from religion, and everyone is ok with that. Why shuoldnt homosexuality be the same? Why should the bible even come into these situations…? I totally respect people if they dont approve of gay marriage, or same-sex relationships etc, because naturally everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But to make laws to stop people from being together…that is inhuman. How can anyone, ANYONE have the right to say “you cant love that person. Sorry. It makes me feel uncomfortable, so you can’t do it.” ? How does that even make sense…Race was a major problem in the past, and then came women’s rights. Now we have homossexuals. If we have learned anything from the past, its that, unless we be open-minded, caring, loving people like how god and the earth wants us to be, people will die. People actually already have. Multiple teens have commited suicide because they couldn’t take the stress and discrimination..How does that make you feel? We are killing people because they are “loving the wrong person”. How in the world can that ever be right? I’m not saying everyone has to support gays, and I’m not saying that it doesnt matter if you do or not. All I’m saying is try looking at this from a non-religious perspective. We are people, and we live our lives, try to make the best of it, and then whatever happens after happens. The world is complicated enough politically and economically. Don’t make people’s love-lives such a big deal when there are bigger issues going on, that actually will affect you.
your gay because it`s good for busness and when you realize the truth go to the goverment and by a baby to redeem your sad state if you do not find that to be you oppinion then leave us kid`s alone
I need to know if these statitics are real and how to cite them in an APA formatted paper, any one want to help me out??? Thanks in advance!!
it say the 2000 census
go to son if citation machine.
I dont want every anti gay to hate me but arent all these facts from the bible in the Old Testament? And didnt majority of the rules change when Jesus came? Please dont make my religion seem selective.
AMEN! swiss u took the words right out of my mouth….. the rules and regulations of the old testament arent valid as of Jesus’ coming …actually Matthew 7 states we are not to judge ANYONE!!! PPL stop being soo freaking ignorant the LORD loves us All…we fail him time and time again and are unworthy of his blessings..all he wants is our worship and the return of the unselfish love he provided to us wen he created us in his image! salvation is INDIVIDUAL so why are ppl so concerned in eachothers choices?? re-focus on u and the ACCEPTANCE OF JESUS! the real LOVE of Christ isnt divided!! GOD BLESS U ALL <3
THANK YOU SWISS!!!!!!!!! People “hear” something, take it as true, without examining it for themselves. The Bible is the true honest absolute word of God, and Guess what!? The ENTIRE PURPOSE of Christ was to abolish old testament laws and allow anyone who believed on him to have ETERNAL salvation! Even if you argue homosexuality is a sin, all sin is the same in God’s eyes, and all sin was paid for by the blood of Christ. So, a few last things. 1) He who loveth not, knoweth not God for GOD IS LOVE, 1John 4:7-8 (2) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that WHO SO EVER believes on him shall not perish but have ever lasting life! (3) Before Christ died, he issued a new commandment John 13:34-35 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” So I say this, anyone who loves God and accepts Christ has salvation, then if God wants to change anything, (ANYTHING) about a person,(not saying homosexuals need to be changed) he will let the person know and give them the help to do it, BUT IT IS NO ONES RIGHT TO TRY TO USE GOD AS AN EXCUSE TO BE IGNORANT AND JUDGE OTHERS!!!! So before anyone throws old testament law up know the whole Bible, not just the parts. ” I am the way the life and the TRUTH”John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”. Seek the truth, don’t spill out half facts that are extremely hurtful and harmful to others.
I just want to say thank you to everyone who has posted comments over the past year. Everyone has just helped me complete my thesis for school
and fyi, I support gay rights and gay marriage. I have nothing to prove to anyone because it is my belief and It is no ones business why or why not i believe something 
I don’t understand why don’t people understand why people are against it. Religion is a major part of it; plus it makes a lot of since and goes hand to hand with logic. When a man says they are sexually attracted to another man OK; but were is that mans evaluation and thoughts on that before he act on it? Homosexuality is so dangerous, its not just because we say its wrong naturally it just doesn’t work. See people think its a psychological issue, because how can you walk the earth basing decisions on how you feel; when how we feel doesn’t validate whats right. I feel like doing a lot of things, but besides what the law says and what God says, I have a brain that allows me to avoid the consequences for my actions. if Gay people want to get married and the law allows it they have to answer to God and the natural consequences that comes with homosexuality. One thing I can guarantee is that Gods Children is not limited in life; So dont expect us to understand that.
Why dont you try holding your breath, i dont know about you but i sure as hell FEEL like i need to breath
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I’m gonna steal this one straight from the west wing because its awesome
President Josiah Bartlet: Good. I like your show. I like how you call homosexuality an abomination.
Dr. Jenna Jacobs: I don’t say homosexuality is an abomination, Mr. President. The Bible does.
President Josiah Bartlet: Yes it does. Leviticus.
Dr. Jenna Jacobs: 18:22.
President Josiah Bartlet: Chapter and verse. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I have you here. I’m interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She’s a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Chief of Staff Leo McGarry insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police? Here’s one that’s really important because we’ve got a lot of sports fans in this town: touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother John for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? Think about those questions, would you? One last thing: while you may be mistaking this for your monthly meeting of the Ignorant Tight-Ass Club, in this building, when the President stands, nobody sits.
God loves everybody, even homosexuals, and all sinners who choose to live by their flesh. The problem I believe is lack of evaluation as an individual, just cause God loves us doesn’t mean that we are doing his will, and that we will be forgiven for each sin, especially if we choose to follow our own desires and dont acknowledge our sins.. But as brothers; me saying that you should consider your actions, or make better judgement doesn’t mean that I’m wrong for saying that. God tells us all the time we are not put on this earth just for own satisfaction and we should be here for each other, which also mean that I don’t have to accept them, but have understanding. Which also mean that I don’t have to keep my mouth shut if I believe that I can share something in this case with logic why its dangerous. So judging somebodies actions is not the same as judging an individual. So if we are going to use the word Ignorant then I guess it applies to everybody including those who make decisions knowing the consequences. I love all people and want the best for everybody, I just hope everybody wants all that God can offer not just the needs of the flesh. Some people get mad because people cant keep this topic based on the marriage, but truthfully how can we think of marriage without respect to God and his purpose for marriage?
You talk about Religeon as if its an education, well sir, how much do YOU know about ALCHEMY?
I don’t get. The gays aren’t trying have sex with you, they aren’t trying to force you to be gay with them. They just want to get married and live happy fulfilling live. Why do you care if they are going to Heaven or Hell? I’m sure with the amount of religious crap you people shove down everyone’s throats they understand that you hate their way of life and that in your belief system they’re going to hell. Well fantastic you made an entire part of the population feel like crap. That’ll surely draw them to your way of thinking. Your defense of marriage is completely messed up. There are hundreds of other ways to go about something like this but you everyone reverts to name calling and mud slinging. I don’t have anything against anyone until nasty words about people I care about get thrown around. My best friend in the whole world is a homosexual should I tell him that because of it he is a second hand citizen and doesn’t deserve the right to be happy with whom ever he chooses? oh that’s right every homosexual is a pedophilia so hes immediately going after little boys. so we should lock all of them because hey better safe then sorry right? Just because there are bad people out there doesn’t mean everyone affiliated with that group is the same way. I read in the paper the other day that a black man robbed a house. Should I be afraid that every black man is a crook? No I believe that guys a crook and everyone else is just another normal person till they break the law. Generalizing is another form of racism. You people who thinks someone is “wicked” or a “sinner” because they fell in love with someone of the same-sex make me sick. I know a lesbian who is better read in the bible then a few priests I’ve met. I’m done you homophobes can have fun in your own little dream world where very one believes the same doctrine and holds the same values. Please continue bigotry so I can wake up in the morning and can continue laughing at the fact you act so ignorant in the name of God. If there is a God I’m sure he’s an understanding one and I like to believe he would understand the Hell you put anyone who believes differently then you through and won’t remember something held so dear to him and christ…..Love thy neighbor.
I support this. Everyone should have rights. Heck, I have friends that are homo- or bisexual. I accept them and I see no wrong in what they are attracted to. They are good people. And when people bring up religion, it infuriates me. Why can’t people stop being so ignorant? In this case, I might even call these people idiots. Homosexuality is NOT a mental condition, and has not been considered one since 1973, when the American Psychiatric Association removed it from its list of mental diseases. Also, it is homophobic, unsympathetic bigots that harass innocent (homosexual) people and cause their decision to commit suicide. Every day, around 13 gay Americans between the ages of 15 and 24 commit suicide. In fact, suicide is the leading cause of death for anyone in the LGBT community. I bet all those religious nuts with their stupid outdated books are part of, if not the main cause, for people deciding it’s better to be dead than get bullied by some “devout” religious follower or homophobe in general.
I support this. Everyone should have rights. Heck, I have friends that are homo- or bisexual. I accept them and I see no wrong in what they are attracted to. They are good people. And when people bring up religion, it infuriates me. Why can’t people stop being so ignorant? In this case, I might even call these people idiots. Homosexuality is NOT a mental condition, and has not been considered one since 1973, when the American Psychiatric Association removed it from its list of mental diseases. Also, it is homophobic, unsympathetic bigots that harass innocent (homosexual) people and cause their decision to commit suicide. Every day, around 13 gay Americans between the ages of 15 and 24 commit suicide. In fact, suicide is the leading cause of death for anyone in the LGBT community. I bet all those religious nuts with their stupid outdated books are part of, if not the main cause, for people deciding it’s better to be dead than get bullied by some “devout” religious follower or homophobe in general. /rant/
Man nobody makes them commit suicide. But it is unnatural for any one to be that way. If it was natural we would have become extinct a long time ago cause no matter how you look at 2 men , 2 women can not reproduce.
Man you see the world in black and white. But its unatural to do that, no wait many species and even some humans are color blind.
and technically with science you can combine the partial DNA code of same sex couples to produce a full set. YAY science!
First off, all you people who are against “gays”, being that way is just like being racist.
Second, In the constitution which we are apparently supposed to follow, it says we have the right to pursuit our happiness, so they can do what they want.
Third, Im bi, and I have no “Problems”, I am simply born the way i am.
Fourth, all you people talking about God not supporting gays, because of what the bible says, but God didnt write it man did, and we all have the right to do what we want.
Man may have wrote it but God gave the words to be written. It may be hard for you to believe but God talks to people that will listen. The Holy Ghost comes to people that will accept God and he helps teach you the things God wants you know . God loves everybody but satan hates and he is the one who makes all the people think they are this way. Get right with God or you will find out the hard way and suffer for it a very long time and you will remember all the times that some one tried to to you the right things but you did not want to hear it.
And when Women and men get caught after murdering their families and say, “God told me to do it.” Real nice God.
Noone is going to suffer because they don’t follow God’s rule. Freedom of religion, and or faith.
Everyone has their choice to live the way they want, and being gay is not a choice, you are created that way. Its not fair that they should hide themselves.
I love my homosexual friends and I respect them for what they believe, just as they love me and respect me for what I believe. And I believe that homosexual practices is wrong. The Mosaic law says it is wrong, as quoted by many of you. And although Jesus did not say homosexual practices is wrong, he did not correct the Old Testament to say it is okay. He taught us not to stone the sinful to death (the story of Mary Magdalene) because doing so is murder, and murder is a sin. He taught us that it is okay to eat shell fish, because he laid it on the table for his disciples to eat. But he never taught us that homosexuality is okay. As the teacher of love, Jesus would have taught homosexual love to us if he thought it would be good. But he did not. Jesus taught three kinds of love: Agape (love between man and God), Phileo (love in friendship), Storge (love between a man and woman married to each other). Also, Jesus made it very clear that sex is only between a married couple, and marriage is between a man and woman. So if sex between a man and woman who aren’t married to each other is not okay to Jesus, what makes us think that he will be okay with sex between a man and man, or a woman and woman, who are not allowed to be married?
Some may argue that because Jesus did not explicitly say it is wrong to do homosexual acts then it does not mean it is wrong. We should remember though that Jesus does not teach us how to be Christians by pointing fingers at sinners (like the BAMF Yahweh, who btw I really love). Rather, he offset the bad by teaching the good. He didn’t harp on people’s sins; that’s not how he rolls because he is a peaceful God. And by not teaching or preaching about homosexuality, Jesus shows us his peaceful rejection of such practice. The End.
u guys r stupid..its simple..haveing homo relationships r wrong…and if ur gay or lezz…UR DISCUSTING…ME PUKING….not that big of a deal….
Well Your Kinda Stupid.. I DOnt See What Is So Wrong About Two People Loving Eachother… And I Bet You Arn’t In A Relationship Right Now And Your Just Taking It Out On People Who Have Found Love
really? wow thats really rude. go fuck off dude
Holy crap learn to freaking english. I mean seriously if your going to leave a comment at least make it legible.
I Think That Gays Deserve An Equal Right. I Know Im Bi So Im Just Supporting My Lifestyle
And I Dont Care What ANYBODY Thinks 
To all that thinks its ok to be a homosexual, GOD did not make any body to be that way. You can say what you want, My family was torn apart by homosexuality. I was married to woman who had never been with nobody but me and started working at place where there was alot of women that were homosexuals. TO put it short she stsrt hanging around them and became one herself, she left me for another women and that split our family. We had 2 children that were young. I believe what the bible says, GOD burned down 5 cities in the Bible for the same very thing, Sodom & Gomorah. Nothing can really live in this place to this very day because of this abomination. God created Adam & eve not adam & steve. Hope that some where in the near future God shows you and gives you the chance to change if its not to late for you.
First of; Why would people choose to live a homosexual lifestyle? Since people are ignorant and close minded to the fact. I don’t think anyone would choose to be homosexual. But there are people who choose to live THEIR life the way that they want too. Whether that means that they are straight or gay. You don’t just BECOME gay. Its your body’s chemicals, not your enviornment, or who you spend your time with. You are born gay, straight, bi, or whatever.
Sodom and Gomorrah were not destoryed because of homosexuality. Look up your facts.
The bible also says GOD loves all his children. Not just the straight people, all his children. This includes heterosexual, homosexual, asexual, and transsexual. Well that’s all for now.
All together marriage is a wonderful thing, to many people. When two people get married that’s how they say they want to be with their lover for the rest of their lives. Right? Any two people should be able to get married, correct? Then gay people should be able to get married. I want you to think about the last sentence for a minute….. Do you agree? Most people disagree with gay marriage, which is SO wrong! Gay people are human too. Gay people just don’t feel attracted to the opposite sex, most were born that way. I have a best friend who is gay so many people bully him, he has a boyfriend and they want to get married (there both 21.) I hope that someday they can. Gay marriage is legal in 7 states out of 50, Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, Vermont, and Washington D.C. That’s not very many places. You think gay couples want to travel to Iowa to get married then come back to Colorado where it will mean nothing to Coloradoans? I don’t think so. I think gay marriage is an amazing thing (just like regular marriage!)
WELL SINCE YALL ALL BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE DID YOU FORGET THAT WE ARE BORN IN SIN, SO IF YOU CLAIM TO BE BORN THAT WAY, u are actually admitting what we are telling you. So if homosexual desires are a gift from GOD, THEN WHY WOULD HE CREATE SOMETHING THAT NATURALLY you can’t survive in when our health is important to God, because we must take care of our bodies as a whole. Thank God for doctors that we can prove it with understanding, God knew people would feel this way, but God teaches us not to always lean to what we feel is right, so as, you can see it doesn’t line up cworretly with the God I serve. As adults its time for better evaluation. Please don’t blame God for your sins, when obviously its no good for you. This is your battle and we all have them. Satin is the one to blame he is the one who has deceived you, homosexuality lines up perfectly when comes down to the things you go through as a homosexual, he doesn’t want what’s best for you. Gods plans are far greater and never limited, build a close relationship with him, I bet he will show you, and I don’t mean just go to chutch, because you go to church don’t mean your saved. God bless
What makes those who are gay/lesbian different to those who are straight? I’m a 16 year old girl and if you cannot answer my question, then that just shows you cannot justify your views.
The differences are cultural, moral, and lifestyle, and purpose.
What people need to understand is that anybody who chooses to make decisions just based on how they feel, or they believe they were born doesn’t make it factual, they will always be faced with consequences. I admit I have many desires deep inside me, but with good evaluation and critical thinking I can make better judgment; based on my knowledge not on what everybody thinks or what the government say I can see with clarity what’s good and what’s not. We all have desires, but you don’t reveal them all do you? Ask yourself why. When you look at them desires you find out that they are distasteful and not the best choices to live by. If you was born with strong lustful desires that lead you to rape someone, whether female or male, Do that justify your actions, because you were born with theses strong desires, but now that you committed your act, it comes with consequences. Homosexual people have a strong desires, but in this case hurt themselves, and become limited; believe what you want but they do want to have their own family, and even wonder if they are doing the right thing, not because of what the word (bible) says, but what their brains tell them when they look in the mirror, it can be depressing when you don’t know were these desires come from. These issues nobody talks about. If you believe in the bible we are in a spiritual warfare. If you say you are born with these desires, you are admitting that you are not genetically born this way, but were born into it. When god let the devil rule the earth, when you are born you are born into sin. God gave you senses, not only to please yourself, but to be able to recognize his principle. For example when you see a man you know it’s a man and we can prove it if we had to go deeper, if you deny that, you are in what we call denial. So if God asked you about your gender, what would you say? Some homosexuals deny that they are man or women, because of their desires. Would it be fair if he chose to remove your eyes, since you don’t use them correctly? The devil was there the first day you are born, just like your parents, but he knows you a little better than your parents do. So his job is to whisper into those desires encouraging you taste those desire knowing how week you are. When Adam and EVE where first brought to earth they didn’t know what naked was, until they ignored the conscious and was convinced by the devil to follow their desire. Just like all desires, we have to remember the devil is the convincer; you are born into sin, that’s why we worship Jesus Christ, because God says he’s the only one that can save us. Remember God was going to damn the world, so we are not exactly pleasing. If you don’t believe in God, then you are going to do what feels right, and like I said you will suffer at your own risk, not because you didn’t know, you have all the resources, but you deny them, so you will face the consequences that come naturally with homosexuality, not because of what we think, but what you ignore to think is important. Respectfully I hope you understand, we all face them some are in the closet and some are in the open, the devil sees it all and will do whatever it takes to keep you from being saved, just by you doing what feels good to the flesh. People, be careful he wants us to fight; he knows fighting doesn’t solve anything but makes matter worst. People open your eyes and see, use the real gift God gave you, not that desire we must kill through his son Jesus Christ. If people want the truth of the lord will give it to them if not we must move on, that’s how Jesus would handle it.
To talk to any well-adjusted heterosexual or homosexual, one quickly realizes that the desires held by each are the same – sexually and affectually – except that one is oriented to members of the same sex while the other is oriented to members of the opposite sex.
There are people of both orientations who are sexual addicts. There are people of both orientations who are sexual compulsives. People in both groups have very unhealthy notions about sex. People in both groups are hedonists. All one has to do is visit a fraternity on any college campus to know that straight guys live out and demonstrate the very kind of sexual proclivities and attitudes that so many Christians opposed to homosexual relationships love to associate only with gay men. I’ve come across plenty of gay people, couples, who live out what Christians claim to be exemplary examples of faithfulness, monogamy, love, and mutual devotion – supposedly only possible with straight couples and regardless of whether we want to claim that they live in sin.
This is the objective reality, even if it is not convenient!
That is not Christian thoughts on their sexual behaviours that one is better than the other, we all know about the difference, but grown up in sin we are exposed to many different sexual behaviours that are not healthy for anybody but are considered norm. Since the principle is intact they believe its ok. These crazy desires come from sin, that we all face, and is pushed in your face no matter where you go. So as a Christian speaking to you or who ever thinks that we teach or condone these sexual behaviours that’s a lie. We are well aware of how the devil had manipulated the true purpose of sex. Christians are sinners who are trying to find truth not perfect people who has a relationship with God. What they are most people are afraid of trying, like homosexual behaviors that considered to be forbidden, and makes perfect since why it is, but believe or not we are tested everyday and we are seeking the truth, and remember we are not perfect people we are sinners, who wants to be saved, from the worldly was that you are speaking about. I bet you can find millions of things people won’t do, because what ever it is; is more valuable and more meaningful then crossing that limit even though the world says its ok. Even though are sexual desires might seem the same, it is a difference from heterosexual sex and homosexual sex, that is revealed with truth through the different consequences, because we don’t share the same ones, but since are actions are wrong then yours is aswell.
Vince – The point I was making was not that Christians condone the sexual behaviors of frat boys, but that those Christians who insist that only gay men are so sexually perverted that the kind of behavior they describe is only and exclusive the domain of gay men. It isn’t true.
Hedonists are hedonists, whether gay or straight.
Likewise, those who claim that there are no gay relationships that can be monogamous, lifelong, faithful, or healthy are also incorrect.
That is not Christian thoughts on their sexual behaviours that one is better than the other, we all know about the difference, but grown up in sin we are exposed to many different sexual behaviours that are not healthy for anybody but are considered norm. Since the principle is intact they believe its ok. These crazy desires come from sin, that we all face, and is pushed in your face no matter where you go. So as a Christian speaking to you or who ever thinks that we teach or condone these sexual behaviours that’s a lie. We are well aware of how the devil had manipulated the true purpose of sex. Christians are sinners who are trying to find truth not perfect people who has a relationship with God. What they are most afraid of trying, like homosexual behaviors that considered to be forbidden, and makes perfect since why it is, but believe or not we are tested everyday and we are seeking the truth, and remember we are not perfect people we are sinners, who wants to be saved, from the worldly ways that you are speaking about. I bet you can find millions of things people won’t do, because what ever it is; is more valuable and more meaningful then crossing that limit even though the world says its ok. Even though are sexual desires might seem the same, it is a difference from heterosexual sex and homosexual sex, that is revealed with truth through the different consequences, because we don’t share the same ones, but since are actions are wrong then yours is aswell, but I admit its not ok for any groups.
Lets see if this gets posted this time, looks like some censoring going on here…
Hang on everyone, you are talking about morals, religion and lifestyle “choices”, but you don’t get the bigger picture of why this is happening and how. Why are there so many gays these days? Yes they are born with it or possible reach a stage in their life that chemical and toxin overload has adjusted their biological system and hormones and cofactors are out of balance. Low zinc, high copper, etc etc, leading to effeminate and masculine traits and brain activity. Many men turn gay during midlife crisis because their body is overloaded with man-made chemicals and their system has changed the way it functions, leading to changes in brain function and hormone functions. Why are gay men so effeminate? Why are lesbians so masculine? Change in their biological system and therefore hormones. Maybe even born that way from mothers toxic overload affecting fetal development.
Nobody has the guts to conduct modern medical research on this subject because the gay lobby will scream murder and prevent it, not wanting to know that they are basically diseased and malfunctioning – homosexuality is nature’s way of stopping them procreating, hence why they push so hard for adoption, regardless of what’s better for children. These defects in genes, hormones and toxins are passed from mother to child and can have an immediate effect on growing children.
Now secondly, the socialist new world order government has made it’s goal in the past 40 years to break down the family unit and support structures, hence the CIA sponsored women’s right movement on the 70′s, the pushing forward of gay marriage teaching in schools, socialist agenda’s in schools and non-nationalistic teaching in various western countries around the world infected by the Outcomes Based Education model. Teaching children to rely on the “government” to solve your problems and dictate your needs and morals. Please do yourselves a favour and research the real causes of these related manmade phenomena and don’t limit the discussion to God and morals and “what feels right” to you.
Hopefully one day humanity will find the cause for homosexuality, just like they can try for ADD, ADHD, Schizophrenia and a myriad of other biological and psychiatric conditions thrust upon humanity in recent years and from there a treatment will follow. Some gays may actually want this treatment, so small groups of gays should not speak on behalf of all the others in trying to deny this research and treatment. However, given the state of our polluted planet and the evil greed of large corporations poisoning us all, I doubt this will ever happen. It’s too profitable to keep going the way we are.
All the best.
Michelle – As a Christian, we are to bare no false witness against anyone – no matter how much better it makes us feel about ourselves or how much it seems to justify hang-ups. If we want to make the assertion that homosexuality is wrong on all accounts, as Christians it is incumbent upon us to base arguments on truth and reality, and not on specious claims. If we want to change people’s minds, then the arguments have to be based on object truth claims and not on empty and easily dis-proven assertions.
The very thing that is essential for a Christian is a teachable spirit. Of course, we have to test all that comes our way, yet we have to be willing to learn. As a Social Studies teacher, if students tell me something about, say, the U.S. Constitution or history, that is wrong, then it is my responsibility as a teacher to give them the right information – to correct them. They then have a choice to either accept or reject the correct information. If they reject it, then it is to their own peril and is a sign of willful ignorance – they reject the truth and have not a teachable spirit.
As adults, we are the same. If we reject objective truth, then we do so to our own peril and it results in our willful ignorance. As Christians, if we do this then we defame Christ and hinder the will of God. This is a primary reason why the claims of Christians opposed to all forms of homosexuality are losing the battle. Their arguments do not bare witness to objective truth. For example, even Christian ex-gay ministries are admitting that God does not seem to be changing homosexuals into heterosexuals, which was the promise and claim for so long. Some Christians still make this claim, but it is simply wrong. It is wrong not because God doesn’t have the power to change anyone, but because the overwhelming, objective evidence is that He simply isn’t doing so. Those who misuse Scripture to try to prove that God is changing people despite reliable evidence otherwise are disingenuous or ill-informed – they are not rightly handling the Word of God. To not listen to reasonable psychologists, Christian counselors, Biblical scholars, and even those in ex-gay ministry is to be willfully ignorant and to not have a teachable spirit. No wonder you are losing the battle.
But, we also have to understand what some very motivated Christians are calling “ex-gay” or healing. The claim that a person is no longer a homosexual, that s/he is “ex-gay,” simply by not having sex or no longer self-identifying as a gay person in incorrect. It is non-factual to say that if a homosexual person gets married to a person of the opposite sex and has children, then s/he is healed. To simply stop engaging in sex is not healing or change. I know far too many Christian people who have struggled through this and I’ve done far too much research to accept this kind of claim as legitimate.
Changing one’s behavior does not change one’s orientation. A heterosexual who engages in homosexual sexual activities is still a heterosexual. His/her affectual desire is still orientated toward a person of the opposite sex, not matter what s/he chose to do sexually. The same is for homosexuals. A homosexual who chooses to engage in heterosexual sexual activity (presumable in a married relationship, even resulting in kids) does not become a heterosexual because their affectual desire is still oriented to a person of the same sex, no matter what they do sexually. This is the reality according to the people who live through it and what reliable, verifiable, and repeatable studies suggest.
To claim that homosexuality is possibility a result of a build up of toxins in the body is ridiculous. It does not bare out in reality or within any related study. The claim that so many homosexuals “decide” to be gay in mid-life because of imbalances of hormones or the same build up of toxins is patently false – and studies have proven this. The vast majority come out because they can no longer live a lie. What they do after that is where moral and ethic decisions come into play.
To wonder why so may gay men are effeminate and why so many lesbians are masculine as if this is a legitimate line of reasoning to reject homosexual is ill informed and disingenuous. Why are there heterosexual men who are effeminate? Why are there heterosexual women who are masculine? Why are there gay men who are incredibly masculine and why are their lesbians who are incredibly feminine? To use this kind of stereotyping to attempt to prove the wrongness, sickness, mental disorder of homosexuality is ludicrous. It is so easy to disprove that it is laughable. To continue to make these kinds of assertiongs only brings disgrace to the cause of Christ.
And, your political and sociological conspiracy theories are easily prove wrong.
Christians cannot bear false witness. It is a command of Jesus. Why do you insist on doing so? It is your right to make claims against homosexuality, but it is your responsibility as a Christian to make claims that bear some sense of truth. I’m concerned about your immortal soul. I suggest obey Jesus and that you repent, before it is too late.
I appreciate your logical statement, as Christians we see the pattern and we see also the direction the world is going. Some people think that these changes mean that the world is moving in a positive direction, when actually these changes are not for their benefit, but for the greed of money and power, if people knew about the environment changes and how the world is getting over populated, which effects our ecosystems eventually survival will be a issue. So your right there is a lot behind theses walls that are based on our aware of what is really happrning, but the people who will suffer the most is the people who make decisions, just based on what they feel more then what they actually know.
Clearly you can guess or estimate the direction of the worlds path. Like you said, the world is getting over populate… so why not let gay couples be together. They can not reproduce, which will cut down the population.
People have gut feelings. People have knowledge. People will learn.
I don’t see a problem with people making decisions based on their feelings.
The truth is this, what I feel don’t make it right to do and act based on what feels right. Self rightious people do exist, basically people who ignore what they see learn, or hear, but what’s more important is what feels right, regardless of what they know. So saying that people will continue to do whatever feels right to them, and if there is subgroups of people who believe that its true, it will always be a conflict. Awareness is what people need, judging what people believe is not a better good for themselves or even environment is not wrong, people are scared and have the right, if you say you are born a homosexual then its only fair to say that people who are homophobic is born that way aswell. Real Christians don’t hate nobody, but when you take a God given philosophy that God has created with purpose and is forced by a government to be changed is a sign God speaks about in the bible and people are scared, because this is a small percentage of the things God say will happen. Some people will say things that you might find distasteful, some with logical understanding, and some that believe its Gods battle. We as Christians only can share the truth with those that want it. God says there’s a lot of people who will listen, but very few that will hear us. We don’t hate nobody, we are judging homosexual lifestyles is not judging, I don’t like liars is not judgeing people but the act, when God say don’t judge he doesn’t want us to judge a group of individuals, but me disagreeing with actions is
Is not wrong. God says don’t hate the people, but hate the sin.
do not judge unless u are prepared to be judged
Close your eyes, ask the Lord, what is His will for your life? I assure you He will answer with love and compassion on you. Life is not about our joy, but His joy. Not our own pleasure, but his pleasure. Because we do not own our lives. Anytime, anywhere, he can take it away from us if He want to. Thank God you are still alive and be able to make things right again. Trust his ways!
If you don’t believe in God, I understand that not all people have the same belief or perspective in life. So, I will end this by saying, WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, once we FACE DEATH, Questions you have in your mind will be answered. Just make sure that what you are fighting for is worth fighting for. Because life, once it ended, has no second chance to offer. Then, choose wisely so that regrets wont follow your way.
I Myself is not perfect. But when I sinned, I ALREADY know that IT IS A SIN. I know, you too! And I ask God to help me change my life. Life that is according to his will. I AM WILLING TO BE CHANGED.
We dont need to argue about this things because deep within us, we know what is right from wrong weather it hurt or not hurt others.
Everything will be made known SOON. Be wise!
what we r fighting for is worth it i would give my life for the girl i love she is my life everything i do is for her i love her just like n e man loves a women and n e women loves a man and n e man loves a man its not wrong its beautiful i wish people would except that her parents completely diowned her because of who she is we cannot change who we love my mother always told me that when we were given life our other half was given life to and most people would spend their hole life searching for their missing half well i found mine after only 19 yrs of searching i took one look at her and knew she was my missing peice i didint believe love at first sight untill she walked in to the place i was working she didnt say a word she just walked on by but i knew i knew she was ment for me
life is so fustrating
Gay marriages are the best!!!!
Thank you, THANK YOU for making this site. I must say that this site has helped me many a time. I am currently working on a video for my school with a friend, and these are the exact statistics we wanted to quote in our video. My school district (sadly) doesn’t really allow GSA clubs. It’s not that they think it’s wrong or anything… More like they’re not educated. And it saddens me, because we’ve had so many anti-homosexual bullying that has led to death at my school, we’re pretty much known for it. So again, thank you for making this site.
And a little note for those of you who believe homosexuality is a mental illness, a choice, and such.
Please, tell me where ANY religion, be it Christianity or Jashinism, says it is morally wrong to love a woman, when you too are a woman. I can tell you now that it is most certainly NOT a choice. I have been a lesbian since I was young, but I didn’t know it was okay until I got into junior high(due to living in a highly homophobic environment).
Please, I beseech you, go up to a homosexual and ask them if they CHOSE to have no rights in America. Ask them if they CHOSE to have no marriage rights in most states. Ask them if they CHOSE to be mistreated, misjudged, bullied… Ask them if they CHOSE to be the object of people’s insensitive jokes and insults.
My sympathies are with you, believe me. I don’t think there is one answer for every person in this. In time to come I believe that we’ll discover more than one reason for this lifestyle – some say they’ve chosen it, but the majority of gay people do not “choose” their orientation at all. It’s a tough road to walk; I believe them when they say they didn’t choose it.
I do admire those of gay orientation who accept that it is not in God’s plan for them, and choose a celibate lifestyle. That takes strength. There are also many heterosexuals who have never married, for one reason or another – it can be a lonely life but isn’t the black abyss that some have portrayed it to be (I didn’t marry until late in life, and was a very fulfilled individual). There are many other facets of life apart from sex! And married life can be a worse hell than a single life, whatever the orientation, LOL!
That shows you don’t know what your talking a about, because its not about love. Stop making these ignorant excuses of sympathy, that’s why homosexuals will always be limited because the truth is never revealed.
O yeah to remind you homosexuals do have rights, but whenever they cross the rights of others you are going to have conflict. Selfishness is what its called. Homosexual rights will always be limited always, we all share the same rights as human beings, but equality doesn’t mean, they will disregard our rights to satisfy theirs. So be happy with that.
It’s not a matter of disregarding everyone else’s rights. It’s about the things that our nation was founded upon, and one of those founding ideals was EQUALITY. So please tell me where it is EQUAL to withhold the rights of a (slowly growing) minority just because some people can’t get their noses out of a book written by a MAN long enough to develop their OWN ideals.
Hey you guys, this is not about who is right and who is wrong. Nobody ever convinces the other person they are wrong by degrading them. “A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.” You don’t help yourself either, by getting angry. All it does is to pour chemicals into your bloodstream which make you unhappy, stressed and ill! A solid society is built on respect, even if we don’t agree with the other person’s point of view. If someone doesn’t agree with us, ignore it – it won’t help to denigrate them.
What’s the big deal? Gay people have the right to get married in all 50 states?
just let a gay guy go out and find a nice girl and I can find you a limitless(not literally there is a limit) number of people capable of performing the marriage ceremony by tomorrow…(assuming they have waited the appropriate amount of time in their respective state to validate their marriage license)
Kriss, the big deal is that no, homosexuals do NOT have the right to get married in all 50 states. And how, in anyone’s mind, would it be OKAY for a gay guy to go out and find a nice girl to get married to? There is no LOVE there, there is not COMPASSION… And that’s what marriage is supposed to be about, right? Your comments just show your ignorance and your uneducated-ness. And it’s people like you (and the various other ignorant/arrogant people on here) that makes it so hard to homosexuals to get the equality they deserve.
ummm actually Kriss, gay marriage is only legal in six states…
i am bisexual and i finally found a girl that loves me for the horrible person i am and i love her to we want to get married but as far as i know kansas doesnt allow same sex marriage wich sucks major and we cant really go to another state i just wish people would give us a break we deserve the same rights as straight people i have many gay friends and relatives and it saddens us all that we can not show our love just as other people to can n e one tell me how this is far and im wiccan so i think the bible is a bunch of bull but i dont discriminate against people who believe that the bible is true so why do they discriminate against me becuz of how i feel about a certan someone?
its your feelings and you shouldnt be discriminated against for someone youn love thast just wrong they wouldnt like it if they were in your place right? so why make it difficult for you ? wat have you’ve done ? nothing you havent done anything to anger or infuriate them your just being yourself go tanicia i may not know but i support you a hundred percent and i hope you and the girl you love find happiness in the near future for you deseve it for all the discrimination youve put up with which in fact you do not deserve
First of all people who believe in the Bible don’t discriminate other people. You are taking a small majority and making that the majority. You don’t like it when people do it to you so why do it to others? Secondly, and this may be a little off topic, but how are you all having spelling errors when we live in a age of spell check? I can understand one or two words but a whole paragraph…COME ON!! Thirdly, we actually have found a lot of the original transcripts the Bible was written on. So, yes some words here and there might be off but what you read is pretty accurate (except for the Message Bible, that thing is made to easily follow but…). And if anybody says anything about past laws in the Bible not being used today they are not reading the context on why those laws were there and why we don’t follow them anymore.
BUT, all this is neither here nor there. The fact remains God loves you. Gay, straight, lesbian it doesn’t matter. God loves all sinners and believe me we’re ALL sinners. To have any Bible talk you have to believe in the One who wrote it in love for you. Until then you’ll never understand the peace the Bible gives and the wisdom it has. If your gay or lesbian I pray you will not blame God for some of the pain and hurt that has been inflicted onto in His name. God bless!
Whoa nelly!! I never said your sin doesn’t matter. The choices that we all make defiantly have consequence. And yes the Bible does say that homosexual relations is a sin and sex outside of marriage is a sin. I am not going against that at all, but you can’t hold people to Biblical law if they don’t know the One who gave it. Introduce them to the love of Christ first before you discipline them. Because discipline without love is just hate or anger. Why would anybody want to know a God or listen to his followers if all they know is judgement? If they don’t even know about Israelis plight in Leviticus why would they want to know about your verse that judges them from it? Check your heart before you tell somebody what to do.
yes i agree some actions have consequences but aren’t we free to make our own mistakes and learn from those mistakes so we can learn and mature?
i love the gays lesbians transgender transsexuals i love em all be cuase they aren’t afraid to be themselves i admire that t
I read these comments with interest. I have gay friends who I dearly love and respect, although I am a Christian who also believes that homosexuality is not God’s ideal for His people. I’m sorry for those here who hate (or appear to hate) gays. Our mandate from God is only to love, not to judge. God has a special formula for each person on earth, which He uses to judge them. How presumptive would it be of me to try to judge them myself! I don’t believe there is any yard stick by which you can measure every homosexual. In time to come I believe we’ll find that some gays are that way by choice, others have a mental disability, and still others were “born that way” with different transmitter substances in their brains, or something like that. Treat each person as a special child of God, even if they have a different sexual orientation. You don’t know why they think and feel the way they do. And allow God to be their judge. If people truly love God they will want to serve Him and do His will, and by searching the pages of Scripture they will find truth. God will help them to deal with any character imperfections, in His strength. Let’s not waste time arguing about what’s right and wrong here. If you’re not a Christian, you won’t want to know. If you are a Christian, follow God’s leading, absorb yourself in the Scriptures and pray for the Holy Spirit’s conviction and help, in this and every aspect of your life!
Leviticus proscribes a great many other things, declares many of them “abominations,” and prescribes the death penalty for several other acts, some of which are shockingly picayune. Leviticus 17:10–13 prohibits the eating of blood sausage; Leviticus 11:6–7 prohibits the eating of “unclean” hares and swine; Leviticus 11:10 declares shellfish “abominations”; Leviticus 20:9 prescribes the death penalty for cursing one’s father or mother; Leviticus 20:10 prescribes the death penalty for adultery; Leviticus 20:14 prescribes the penalty of being burnt alive for having a three-way with one’s wife and mother-in-law; and Leviticus 20:15 declares, “And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast” (which seems rather unfair to the poor beast). (One suspects that American Christians have never attempted to pass laws enforcing Leviticus 20:15, because if passed and enforced such laws would decimate both the rural, Bible-Belt population and the cattle industry.)
Curiously, given the multitude of prohibitions in Leviticus, the vast majority of present-day Christians have chosen to focus only upon Leviticus 20:13, the verse calling for the death penalty for homosexual acts.
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We only see things from our own perspective, here in a safe, democratic society with what we consider usually to be “reasonable” laws. If you could see things as they were in the ancient world, you might tone your remarks down a bit. God as revealed in the person of Jesus is a kind an compassionate person, so something in the ancient world entitled God to make these rules for the benefit of His people. If they obeyed them they would not suffer the consequences, so there would be no concern about that. This was a people who had almost lost their identity, their standards and their knowledge of the Lord. God set these laws as “walls” to guide them back to right living. Who is to say that any of these punishments was ever carried out? We do read instances where people were severely punished for something apparently minor – the person who touched the ark died, for example – the Israelites needed to know their boundaries in a serious way. Do you think any unauthorized person touched the ark after that? No. There was probably a strong spirit of rebellion there (look at the golden calf incident, while Moses was up on the mountain). God’s punishments had to be effective to control rebellion.
As for the animal which had to die if someone lay with it – God was possibly preventing birth of a hideous hybrid. There are reasons for why He says that homosexuality is not in His plan for us. But why should we demand answers for everything God does? He is the one who should demand answers from us! One day, He will.
The bible is just a bunch of crap storys, made by someone thats blatently on meth or something, i meen come on, some guy gets swallowed by a giant fish, what a bunch of lie’s, come on think about it, stop being so narrow minded.
And how judgmental is that?! Is this from someone who wants others to be accepting adn kind to them?
nowadays having sex because your horny is dangerous! masterbation will save you from STDS HIV and whatever nasty funky disease is out there , i think it is nasty for men to have sex with other men i mean who wants to be all up in a stinky butthole? and doesnt it count for men who have sex with women in the butt too? statistics say homo/bi men are hit hardest but what if , men were only screwing women in the butt because screwing in the pu55y wasnt the in thing to do? but thats not the case! the case is nobody wants to be held responsible for their actions! i say dont worry about what others do with their genitals when they pass away their the ones that will have to deal with god if god didnt want woman for man and man for woman god wouldve designed us wayyyy different! as much as man is for woman , women need to be extra careful before laying up with any man because theyre more prone to getting stds!
Judy I agree with most of what you have said but your response doesn’t explain why (despite whether or not they were applied at the time) that the vast majority of present-day Christians have chosen to focus only upon Leviticus 20:13…… why isn’t there a strong stand-point on shellfish for example? It’s a little too selective for my liking and diminishes the argument…
I can’t speak for the majority (or even the vast majority ) but I and many others DO take very seriously the other things which God has said. Apart from the “commandments bound up in ordinances” which were obviously the law pointing forward to Christ’s sacrifice, and which naturally ended when His sacrifice was made, there was the Ten Commandment law of liberty (still binding, still applicable) and the health laws, which have not lost their power.
So I do take a stand against shellfish and all the other creatures which God said were not fit for food, as I believe He knows best what to put in my ‘tank’. (I wouldn’t put custard into the fuel tank in my car, so why would I put certain things into my body if God said they are not fit for me to use?) I don’t believe God intends for his laws to be burdensome – they are there for our benefit, and I don’t have a problem with them.
Once again, there is my “personal” conviction, and there is my “relational” conviction, which is to respect each person’s right to believe and to do as they choose. After all, choice is the most precious and dangerous freedom we have. Here, note, I am NOT talking about an individual’s “choice” to be gay or not — the majority of gays do not, I believe, choose their gay tendencies. I’m simply talking about their rights to live the way they want to, and to choose their lifestyle in accordance with their tendencies.
Father forgive them for they know not what they do
Who’s perfect , people will eat, sleep with who they feel like, but that doesn’t make there actions right. Eating shellfish doesn’t have a cultural effect and cause discrepancy against others or other beliefs, most people don’t care as aslong as it doesn’t affect them. People are worried about their future and what kind of affect will it have on our schools, and if our world is trying to get healthy again why promote it. America follows a western philosophy, which consist of marriage between man and women only. The main thing about equality is not everybody can do what they want and the government will back that up. Homosexuality will always be limited just on that. If a person is not satisfied naturally first, meaning if you don’t except who you are naturally, then how could a person that is gay ever be satisfied, therefore except the lifestyle that you follow no matter what you do you will never be satisfied.
Luckily, we don’t have to live anybody’s life except our own
. I always say I have enough problems of my own without taking on anybody else’s LOL!
Once again, there is my personal conviction and my relational conviction. I know what is right for me as a Christian, and as I grow in that lifestyle my convictions may be modified or consolidated as I find more information. I also must respect other people’s choices and not try to force my own opinions onto them. We can discuss the rights and wrongs of things, but there must always be that respect. Their right to choice is equally as important as mine!
Some things affect all of society (children’s futures as well as adults) and so I think we do have to make some stand outside ourselves. For example, with reference to this forum, I have to say that I support equality in civil unions within a community. All adult people regardless of their sexual orientation, should be entitled to the same physical and social benefits. They should also be entitled to a legal union.
However I don’t agree with the proposed change in meaning of the word “marriage” to encompass anything but a monogamous, heterosexual relationship. That to me is as foolish as deciding to call everyone “women” or “men”. Leave the English language as it is, with its original meaning. We could be creative though, and think of another term or phrase for a homosexual union! If we’re all working together for a harmonious society this should not offend anyone but encourage them.
Just thought I’d let everyone know that has been posting here… You physco religious people, are obviously not totally religious. God loves all. And you should be totally ashamed of yourselves for judging. I myself am not a lesbian but I feel as if it morally wrong for you to judge someone for who they happen to fall in love with. Is someone else’s sexual orientation harming you? No. What happens in the bedroom of a homosexual couple stays between them and shouldn’t be any of your damn business. You don’t go and share your sexual experiences and if you do then you have no right to judge. It’s people like DeMario and all you other god loving freaks who make gays commit suicide. Just one question… What if it was you?
Ummmm, not sure who you are referring to here. I have taken great pains to describe why i am NOT judgmental – I don’t have any desire to be and feel no need to be. On the contrary it seems that YOU are being judgmental here. Yes, I am a Christian, and you are not. SO? That is your choice. That is my choice. Let’s live in peace, eh?
Wow…yes God loves us all, but that don’t mean its ok to do what we feel is right. So God loves all, but don’t accept all either. Heaven and Hell are there and explained for a reason, so therefore God will send his love ones to hell …..so ask yourself what justifies that?
Okay, I am a Christian, therefore I have all the right to speak my mind whenever I please. There is a freedom of speech that yes, you can judge but why? Why the hell would you judge someone for something they cannot help or control? There is something inside the human brain that makes them attracted to other the same sex. Does that make them any different? No, it just makes them unique. Lesibians, Gays, and Bis are just the same as you, a straight person. I feel it totally out of line for you to express such rude things to a person who can’t help the way they feel. God does accept all, so long as they have asked for forgiveness. and if you are a homosexual it doesnt mean you dont pray. They are actually more open then a straight person. You people who think you are so perfect because you are straight and are married with babies and think that god wants it that way are crazy. God loves all, god accepts all, and shows all the way. Some people were meant to be gay. God didn’t create bad things, that was the devil, and the devil doesnt create humans. Only demons, ghost, illnesses, and bad feelings. And since you are born gay, god created them that way, because the devil is not allowed in Gods workshop, therefore he would not have tampered with anyone. You people should be the ones who rot in hell for judging someone for the sex they are attracted too. Flat out.
God loves everybody , but he don’t love the ways of the world. Prove that homosexual are meant to be Gay. You have sympathy that’s ok , but just like everybody else you have to own it.
Are you saying that gay people choose to be gay? if so you’re a fucking retard. Why would you choose to be ridiculed for your entire life and be discriminated all the time? You like girls, thats not a choice you made. You just do, as do i. Gay people like their own gender, its not their choice. Something wrong in the brain? thats a different story. but a choice? absolutely not.
Something wrong in the “brain”. Can cause a choice silly.
People who are religious should know that God accepts/forgives anyone. Even Gay people.. I’m atheist so I’m not 100% sure on what I’m saying but this is how I feel.. If you disagree.. Thats fine. but if God hated Gays.. Then why are there so many Gay people in the world? And why are they so open about it? Answer me that.. Gay people are open with anything and talk to anyone.. They don’t judge anyone unless they judge them first.. Which I don’t blame them cuz I’ve been in that position.. I’m Bisexual.. But I’ve come to an conclusion.. I don’t care what people say about it. I was so quiet about it 2 years ago, but now.. Pfft.. I don’t care.. People can say that its gross but really.. Its not… at all. And its me.. and im not changin me for anyone!
God only forgives those that repent of their ways. Sorry not everybody is accepted.
Just a tip for text based debates over the internet guys, the moment you click the send button, you’ve already lost. Food for thought. Heteros find Gays and Lesbos gross for the most part. (Although two chicks going at it can be pretty hot) And according to the Bible, Homosexuality is not tolerated. And according to Gay (if heteros are called straight, are homos called curvey?) or curvey people, I WAS BORN DIS WAY ‘N YOU CANT CHANGE MEHZ!!! So, no one is going to convince the other to change over. Just stop bitching about it. It’s annoying.
Percents don’t help much. theres 70% of the world is queer, excluding me.
I do own it.
This is a reply to Logan, who commented on Christine’s post.
Logan, you say that marriage has become a secular institution. I beg to disagree., although I know many see it that way.
Marriage was ordained by God in the very beginning of time, as between a man and a woman. Now I have no objection to those entering a civil union (whether they are atheists and/or gay) having exactly the same rights as married people. In fact that’s probably what we all should be striving for, not changing the term “marriage” which is sacred to some, if not to you.
I simply object to the word marriage, which has always meant one thing, being changed to accommodate another. And I am not alone!
To keep everyone happy, why not accept the term “civil union” or “wedded partner” for gay unions, and leave “marriage” alone? Do some people have to hammer down the others to the point of getting everything their own way? I truly believe in equality. But equality doesn’t mean “sameness”. Let’s all give a bit!
@ Judy
I do agree with you more or less. Marriage does come from a religious origin, religion creating the term. Now if, in the instance that a civil union offered the same rights as marriage then I’d support it. But because of the fact that it does not, then marriage should be supported for all.
And also, by adopting civil unions, then that would not make everyone happy. In my specific case, if it offered all of the benefits, then it’d make me happy, more or less, but then everyone would have to get a civil union and marriage would just be an operation that the individual chooses, and it would offer nothing other than term being a married couple.
Now in cases not specific as my own, there are some who are religious, but feel that gay marriage does not violate a single one of their tenets and thus support gay marriage equality. So even in the religious community, there is discrepancies about whether or not it is acceptable under their scripture.
But like I said before, or alluded to. As long as marriage is an institution defined by the state, as it currently is, then it should be a right for all people of the state, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. So in my opinion, the only moral way to end gay marriage is to get the state to redefine marriage, and leave it is a religious institution, like how Baptism is specifically a religious practice.
Hey Judy you make a lot of valid points, but as believe I can’t even except homosexuality period, so I could not agree with that on the bases of principle. Don’t get me wrong I agree that marriage should not be change and that homosexual unions should be call a civil union instead. As a Christian and knowing how God deals with cities or countries that follow their own paths, it can get scary for us believers.
Vince, I can’t accept homosexuality either. As I have repeatedly said, it is not in God’s plan for His children. However, I have also repeatedly stated that there is a personal and a relational view on homosexuality. Whereas I can’t accept homosexuality in my personal view, I can accept homosexuals in my relational view. God has not given us the mandate to judge them, particularly if they are non-believers. He has made it very clear that we should NOT judge them. As long as we personally are operating within God’s guidelines, nothing should be ‘scary’.
In a democracy, the majority makes the rules. I see that our society is moving closer to gay “marriage”. I will speak out against that, for the reasons I’ve already given (I don’t believe “marriage” is a secular term and therefore it should be protected, in the understanding of Scripture). However as a person who believes in equality of all, I must go along with civil union. I will add my voice to raising its status to that of marriage (same benefits), although I don’t “approve” of homosexuality. Free choice should always be allowed, whether or not we agree with a person’s choices. How would we like it if the majority ruled against the Christians and their beliefs, and made it difficult for us to worship as we choose? It has happened before and it will happen again. But we should not do the same toward others.
The thing I don’t understand is that some people on here keep stating that we are not perfect, including themselves. One guy says that some heterosexuals that get married are not able to procreat, so if God created them without the ability to procreat, then what’s the differences? Marriage is not just based on procreation and loving somebody. One thing about marriage is that it gives direction, not just for us but for generations to come and the best way to do that is between man and women. Not to be mean, but this world can’t depend on homosexuality alone to reach another generation. A couple who can’t procreat because of a disabled organ, and a homosexual who can’t procreat because of natural norms are completely two different things.
So what is really wrong with being gay? The only comments they can say is that it isn’t right and it’s against relgion. What gives you the right to tell us what we want, like, and love. In America there is freedom, well, where is our freedom? Religion has freedom, interacial couples have freedom, why cant gays have freedom?
Hi people I think gay marriage should be legal
God turned his face to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah because of the things they were doing like male on male sex and female and female sex. Later he destroyed the entire city including the cities around it. God felt bad that he created such a person that had unnatural feeling for the same gender. on another non religious fact, the anus lining is so thin that it is very easy to transmit diseases. The homosexual population is two percent of the world’s population yet it has the highest rate of HIV /aids population. Regarding lesbians, they face a higher breast cancer risk. One study of lesbians found that: “Sixty-three percent of the lesbians had never been pregnant. Not having children increases a woman’s breast cancer risk by between two to six times.”13 Not having children also “may be a risk factor for ovarian cancer and may be implicated in endometrial cancer as well.”
First and foremost, I’m not here to bash anyone’s beliefs in any case. Here’s my argument, if homosexuality can be looked at as a “Mental disorder,” shouldn’t anyone be able to accept that in their eye’s they may see someone that is straight as mentally impaired? Nextly there is no instance in the bible where it says that any of the homosexuals referred to in the book of Romans were wrong, just that their morals were shifted from the norm, if morals were considered a sin everyone would easily be sentenced to “Hell” in a day because they are just what one sees as right or wrong, never defined. Also in consideration for every that is throwing the bible in other people’s faces, biblically it says that you should love everyone as you love yourself, not just those that love you but those who prosecute you. There is a reason a lot of people in this nation hate christianity, namely that christians point out the faults of others but don’t focus on their own. Jesus said “before you criticize your neighbor for the speck in his eye, remove the log from your own” This is predominantly the most relevant and useful lesson in the bible today because of the ignorance of this world. Homosexuality is by no means a mental disorder, or even a choice, it’s hardwired in the body’s chemical processes; just as someone that is considered straight would be physically attracted to the opposite sex, a homosexual would be attracted physically to someone of their own sex.
all you mother fuckers are gay!!!! idc what the fuck u like just shut the fuck up bout it
alright!!!!!!!!!!! no one should care if u like it up the butt or you like to chow bitches all night long …. i like choice # 2 tho just sayin
the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife… that is the definition of marriage just sayin….
Originally, marriages were simple business transactions that acted as a form of insurance between wealthy families. Its pretty pathetic that our culture puts so much weight on an institution like that. Also, polygamous marriages predate monogamous ones, so if you really want a “traditional” marriage, you’d better find two or three wives.
It really is surprising how this site (one devoted to showing the irrationality of homophobia) attracts these ridiculous homophobic types.
One more thing: atheists are more intelligent than theists at a statistically significant level (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201004/why-atheists-are-more-intelligent-the-religious), sooooo, leave the thinking and rationalizing to us non-believers, read your bible somewhere else, and stop trying to push your dogmatic and irrational beliefs on everybody else.
I think gay marriage should be legal and americans have to be more open minded ….
i think the only thing we can be sure is that no one person has all the right answers…we are ALL FLAWED…so how can you tell me i can’t marry my partner? No one can tell me how to live my life but me….i follow laws…i pay taxes…i work to support myself….i dont do drugs… everything else is my own business and how i live my life happily and fully. I am your normal average hard working american young adult….but i am a woman who loves a woman. There is no difference to me in my relationship to that of other relationships…except i am completely and utterly happy and would be happily married all the days of my life if i were legally allowed to. Makes me sick other people think they have a say so on the aspects of MY life
at the end of the day, what will happen? those heterosexuals who marry in the name of god will still marry in the name of god, and homosexuals get to be married. (in the name of god or not, depending on your opinion) My point, making gay marriage legal won’t affect anyone but the gay community. if your religion is so set on keeping homosexuals out of their churches, we’ll find a different church. and i thought america prided herself on being blind to religion.
First off Iam a lesbian who believes the lord created homosexuals for a reason if not why would any of us be here. I respect everyones religous beliefs because I know the truth in my heart tha god loves us all and wants us to love eachother and respect and teach tolerance. On the subject of gay marriage, this one is solved very easily has anyone heard of the separation ofof church and state it doesnt matter what your religious views are they do not belong in politics in the US our statement is fair and equal is it not ? By not allowing gays the right to marry or even giving them so called “civil unions” is unconstitutional its called separate but equal now thats an oxymoron is it not ? Its the same thing our government tried to do with African Americans
::::> I thoroughly do NOT believe that people are BORN gay. You have a choice just like you have the choice of who you’re attracted to. And, that’s right, you can chose who to be attracted to. Why do you think many young girls fall for young men who act a lot like thier own father? Because its what theyre used to and its something they look for in men. So, obviously, being gay is indefinately a CHOICE. I do not discriminate against gays, just gays who believe they were born into it. Yes, some are raised by parents and influenced to be a certain way. Regardless of religion, being homosexual is a choice, and its between YOU and YOUR god. I don’t judge gays, because I don’t enjoy being judged myself. I can say that I don’t agree with homosexuality, at all. But, it’s your choice as well as it is mine.
Actually scientists have discovered that homosexuality is caused by the development of the brain inside the womb. Gay people have different brain structures. Gay men have brains which are more like that of straight women, and gay women have brain structures which are more like those of straight men.
You also say that girls fall for men who are like their father. That on its own implies that you do no choose what you fall for, but you fall for what your brain tells you you should fall for, in this case someone like your father. Can you look me in the eye and with complete honesty tell me that you looked at a guy once and said “I do not feel for him now but I’m going to choose to be attracted to him”
You can’t. Attraction is something that happens on its own. You have no control over it. You’re either attracted to someone or you’re not, it all depends on how you’re wired. You can not will yourself into being attracted to someone.
Homosexuality is abnormal and wrong, look I’m no the judge or God or a prophet, but I do believe in the truths of God. There are 3 scriptures fromthe word Of God plus a story in the bible that deals with the subject of homosexuality. Go look these up if you want to know the truth, you see it’s not aboutwhat I think or believe but what God’s word has to say about it. Read these verses: Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:26-27, Genesis 19:1-29(Sodom and Gomorrah), and 1 Corithians 6:9-10. These scriptures are all about homosexuality and what God thinks about it.
You know we as people have opinions about everything. We have opinions for abortion, who should be president,and gas prices. but there is one thing that makes it wrong. The words I think or well like I said, no the tuth is God dosen’t care what I believe or what you believe He goes by His word and what His word has to say. Is abortion wrong according to God? Yes for the bible says the he formed us in the womb. God calls us His creation not a fetus, so in other words abortion is murder, not because of what I say, but because of what God says about it and I believe God. Look I am not perfect and I will never be here on this earth, because I am human , but you and I can strive to be like Christ by living in the way Jeus told us and taught us how to live. Jesus said if you love Me then obey My commandments, again thats not me it’s the word and I believe it. You see I’m not here to judge that is not my job, but I can tell you that knowing Jesus is the greatest decision you will ever make, because you can’t live this life of yours alone we all need the helping hand of God and I need Him everyday that I live, and look I will still make mistakes, Im not perfect, but Im striving to be. I just want peole to see things from God’s perspective instead of their own. Is homsexuality wrong, yes because in the very beginning God created man and woman not man and man and woman and woman. You see He did this because his way is the natural way, God’s way, to have sexual relations, between man and woman. But He also does not want us to wake up love beforeit’s time, young folks. So just know that I believe God and I can’t make you all become christians thats a decision that you have to make for yourself, but I can tell you this knowing Jesus is the best thing in the whole universe!!!!!!!
Just throwing this out there since there is a massive flame on Mental Disorder somewhere below. Homosexuality has not been in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual since 1986. So it is not a mental disorder nor will it be. In order for it to be a disorder it would have to: First, cause the client distress (homosexuality is distressing only due to society’s lack of acceptance…similar to racism). Second, be harmful to the client or others (bestiality or pedophilia is no argument here because it is harmful to others in that the animal/child do not have the ability to give informed consent). Third, be an abnormal behavior. It has to meet all of those in that order in order to be a MD.
Lastly legislation and religion should not go hand in hand. Marriage has always been an institution of the state in the USA and not one of Christianity so thus arguments posed by the bible are invalid. If that were the case then Muslims, Jews, Hindus and all other non-Christian couples should not be allowed marriage and if you want to get really picky only those of Puritan belief since they were the ‘founders.’ I am not saying that churches have to marry same sex couples but that it is given the same name, acknowledgement and rights of hetero couples. My biggest argument is that when people make these arguments is “What if I/they are not Christian?”
If you must use your bible then look to:
Matthew 7:1-5 “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”
Romans 2:1-3
“Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?”
Also look to every verse about treating your neighbor the same as you, loving your neighbor and that both your god and his son love all of gods creations.
If your bible is truly the word of god and your god is infallibly then how dare you pronounce judgment over what he is to pass judgment on, by doing so you are making yourself equal to or greater than god. This is not your place and thus let god sort their punishment or let them into his kingdom of heaven. Just because it isn’t written doesn’t mean the rules haven’t changed. So in that leave them to your god and worry about yourself for by that book you have committed more sins than they have.
Oh yea one morehing God does love everyone and yes there are homosexuals and prostitiutes who are entering the kingdom of God befre us right now as I speak but just the same there are prostitutes and hoosexuals that are gong to hell as i speak. So whats the difference? The difference is people who used to be homosexuals came to the point where their sexual life with the same sex didn’t satisfy them anymore. They came into a pace of repentence with God, you se the world will call you lots of things,but God calls you more han conqurers, the head and not the tail, the apple of His eye, blessed and HIGLY favored of God. Butif you are committing homosexual sins or if you are bi, I am not going to lieit is wrong, but there is a way out of the life you are living, and His name is wonderful counseler the everlastig Father He is Jehova God and He can set you fee from that lifestyle, because eventhough it’s wrong God doesn’t hate you but at the sametime He hates yor decision to practice homosexuality. God does not hate anyone and nor do I, but I love people too much not to tell you all the truth, eventhough the truth can be rough at times it’s still the truth and it will set yu free if you let it. Listen I do not judge peole and again I am not God but I do read His word and What it has to say regaerding these things and it’s all true you see I was messed up on my way to Hell but Jesus stretched out His mighty ritght hand and pulled me out of the pits of hell and st my feet upon a rock and the Rock is Jesus, because He can not be moved. My friend it’s easy to go along with what may feel right to the flesh, but take it fromme the flesh and it’s feelings can get you into a lot of trouble just as it did for me. Im not tellig you that when you becom a christian that thins will get easier, infact things get harder, but at least you have now what you didn’t have before you got saved an the question still rmains, do you got Jesus?
please dont judge anyone… i ask this of you in a kind voice… i cant stop you from judging just like cant stop us from being gay… i cant make a muslim change to judaism…. whats the point of trying… you have to know that your going to fail trying to change someone sexxuality… im christian.. im gay.. and im replying by asking you to please stop trying to change us… god bless you
Y’know… I don’t get what the big freaking deal is. Homosexuals pay their taxes, hold jobs, and support the American economy. If we’re taking away their right to pursue happiness (which every American has the right to do) then they shouldn’t have to pay taxes or anything. Plus, there’s this to think about: Charlie Sheen can make a “porn family”, Kelsey Grammer ended his 15 year marriage over the phone, Larry King has been divorced 8 times, Kim Kardashian’s marriage cost 10 MILLION DOLLARS and it lasted 72 DAYS, Newt Gingrich had affairs while wife #1 and #2 were VERY ill, Britney Spears had a 55 hour marriage, Jesse James and Tiger Woods (while married) had sex with EVERYONE, 43-50% of traditional marriages end in divorce and yet people say “same-sex marriage is going to destroy the institution of marriage”. REALLY? What the Hell? And then we’ve got people throwing the Jesus argument at us. News-Flash, Folks! Homosexuality is NOT a sin. (Says nothing about it in God’s Book.) Sodomy is. Plus if you are ACTUALLY a Christian, who died and made you God? Bible says “Judge not lest ye be judged.” So leave the judgement to “God” and shut up.
Obviously I’m for same-sex marriage. You don’t like it? TOO BAD! If you don’t support same-sex marriage, DON’T GET ONE!
You should be ashamed of yourselves. Homosexuality is a freedom that we are all allowed to have, and is accepted by the world as an active sexuality choice. I am extremely proud to be a lesbian, and I support everyone for who they are and what they choose. This is a website for gay marriage, not a dump yard for your hate mail. “Love is love, no matter who it’s with.” -Ryan Murphy, the amazing homosexual director of the hit show GLEE.
The truth is that we all don’t need to tell rapists, sociopaths, pedophiles, murderers & every other living labelled thing on earth, what they are doing wrong. They all have one thing in common, they constantly justify their actions by blaming the next labelled sinner. “aint that the truth. This world sucks and you live in it! If you wanna be gay go ahead, if you wanna be good then why do a lot of good people die without their actions justified. There’s a wikipedia internet page on Ted Bundy almost glorified that his name is there. YOU MAKE ME SICK… all of you’d……
The most irritating thing a person can say is “I believe that…” followed by a statement (true or otherwise. While the left is also culpable in this abrogation of reason, it seems to occur primarily from conservative Christians (at least in the USA. “I believe that being gay is a choice.”. “I believe that supply side economics helps poor people.”. “I believe that everything in the bible is true.”. Notice a pattern: belief in a statement. When it comes to facts, what you, or anybody else, believes is irrelevant. You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts. For he sake of argument, I will attempt to verify the validity of the first and third statements above (the second isn’t as pertinent for this discussion).
“I believe that being gay is a choice.”: What you believe has no bearing on whether or not being gay is a choice. The factors that determine sexual preferences are many and complex, but the overwhelming majority of scientific evidence supports the conclusion that sexual preferences are entirely determined by genetic makeup and the environment in which an individual was raised, and hence not a choice. I understand that it would contradict your Christian worldview and make it it more difficult to adequately express your hatred of gays if there were no choice involved in sexual orientation (by putting homophobia squarely in the same category of prejudice as racism and sexism), but that doesn’t supercede the scientific consensus.
As for the bible, it contains enough internal inconsistency (I.e. two disparate creation stories just to name one) and inconsistency with proven facts (I.e. the biblical proscription that the ration of a circle’s circumference to its diameter as EXACTLY 3), that the statement “the bible is inerrant” is not only false, but wildly absurd, hence he bible is at the very least partially errant (although more likely, it is almost entirely a work of fiction).
Now, what about the normative statements in the bible that attempt to define what one should and should not do? Besides more internal inconsistency (as well as contradiction by nearly every modern moral paradigm), and beside the roundly draconian moral compass it proscribes, the tenets you conservative Christians hold to be absolute aren’t comprehensive. For example, the book of Leviticus says that gay acts are sinful, but it also says that wearing clothing consisting of two or more different fabrics is also sinful, so is growing two or more crops in the same field, and it is also sinful to NOT stone your neighbor to death if he works during the sabbath. I guess my most pertinent question is this: why is it that you use the bible to justify anti-gay sentiment, but when it comes to wearing a 50 percent cotton 50 percent wool pants, that is perfectly OK? I could be wrong, but it seems to met that Christians use the bible to justify homophobia, and not the other way around.
As for non-biblical justification of opposition to gay marriage, every argument seems to fall flat. If marriage is only proper when used for procreation, why is there no conservative outcry over heterosexual couples who cannot have children of their own? As for he slippery slope argument that allowing gay marriage opens the door for legalizing polygamy and marriage of humans to animals or innate objects, you simply have not demonstrated ANY reason for disallowing gay marriage: why should the morality of gay marriage depend upon the morality of bestiality? If you don’t think a man should be able to marry a horse, then by all means voice you concern about bestiality marriage, but don’t pretend that it has any bearing on gay marriage whatsoever.
Finally, ill address he bible in general. As its inerrancy is completely bunk (a fact that your religion has no bearing on), you will now need evidence of both the existence of a supreme being and of the resurrection of Jesus, neither of which I have ever seen. If you want to push the “moral” tenets of Christianity on the rest of this country as the only true moral compass, you’ll need more than vacuous faith and unwavering obedience to an unseen and, for all intents and purposes, non-existant deity. Fortunately for you, the average American is simply too stupid to ask for evidence, and so you will probably continue to successfully push your silly agenda on the minority of us who don lack the capacity for critical thought. Congrats, you have swindled the American public. If worse comes to worse, I’ll probably have to move to another country in Europe if somebody with the absolute lack of intelligence and insight (Palin, Gingrich or Santorum) is able to further swindle this country into electing them to lead this country.
If you are gay, go ahead do your thing, no one is hating. But wait! marriage?
Most religions in this world consider same sex as a sin. I believe in this because as a Christian, I was taught that when a man and a women fall in love, they have the right to decide on whether they are ready for the commitments in the sacrament of marriage. If gays should be able to marry one another, a gay man or women might as well be the president of the United States. Our religious would be frowned upon by Jesus and our country would be laughed at by other countries. Some things in this world don’t belong, and I do not believe that people of the same sex should be able to marry one another, it is against my religion.
Most religions in this world consider same sex as a sin. I believe in this because as a Christian, I was taught that when a man and a women fall in love, they have the right to decide on whether they are ready for the commitments in the sacrament of marriage. If gays should be able to marry one another, a gay man or women might as well be the president of the United States. Our religious would be frowned upon by Jesus and our country would be laughed at by other countries. Some things in this world don’t belong, and I do not believe that people of the same sex should be able to marry one another, it is against my religion.
Everyone has the right to their own opinion I guess. But isn’t god supposed to be loving and supportive of all his children? So wouldn’t homosexuals be included in “all his children”? There are some homosexuals out there who are the nicest people, and who are open to accepting people how they are. You seem to be fairly judgmental to me. If Christianity is judgmental, I want no part of it. Being judgmental is against my religion.
I don’t know why u liberal idots post ur trash here! People who r homo aren’t even fit to belong in z human race, cause u know why they are prematuer beings! Yes ‘rights’ r a big part of z ‘almighty’ America, but ur “Pursut of Happiness” don’t & won’t matter! Africans have sufferd years of Human right Violation to z extent their very exsistance was treatend but u don’t see us barking about right, do u? And except 4 our economic downturn we r perfectly fine! Gay or Lesbians are a discrase to human race! Putting ur pens in a rectum then suking it like candy ain’t in any way natural! As far as I am concerned gays might as well feed on their own fealth. And they deserve it honorebly! If only we could Isolet a potent virus that exclusively inhabits our rectum so that when a pens is inserted (DISCUSTING!) it infects it, then kill within 6 hours of the initial exposuer, If only, May be then gays get what they deserve at LAST, HALELUIA!
First off, you sound like a fool Lop; I could barely understand half of what you wrote. Second, that is horrible that you say homosexuals aren’t fit to belong in the human race. People are people; they have the right to love who they want to and how they want to. If this topic bothers you so much maybe you should not have replied to it. I guess I should have taken my own advice and ignored your ridiculous comment. Anyway, people don’t want negativity, they want support. So if you don’t like it, ignore it. And yes, Africans do “bark about” their human rights violations. I agree that it is horrible what happened to them, and I am THE LEAST racist person in existence, but Africans are constantly finding ways to be appreciated: they have African magazines, African beauty pageants, African universities, Black History Month, etc. What if white people started their own university? What if they had a whole month dedicated to white history? They would be called racists, right? Maybe just open your eyes and don’t judge so harshly. I’m not meaning to offend anybody, I just want some people to realize that we need to stop hating people for no dang reason. This makes me so mad.
nobody but the big man upstairs can just his children…see im gay…a lesbian yess mam
n nobody here in ky has a prob with us gays.the world is changing people.wake the hell! different views,ways of living get use to it….u love who u love.if it was wrong y would the lord allow us to fall in love with wht u people put as evil.see all u homophobes in this world thts the first step to coming out!lol thts how i was at first until i can to grips with the fact tht god made me the way i am…the way WE are.so stop judging n come outta the damn closet! its starting to show.and thanx for all the ppl tht has supported us along the way.god bless u all.
just gonna throw this out here, but how does someone elses homosexual relationship affect YOU? it doesnt.
Exactly! People need to realize that a homosexual relationship is not a bad thing. It is not a war, it is not disease-causing, it is LOVE! Even if it bothers someone, all they need to do is ignore it rather than find something to make them angry.
Please Mr. A don’t tell me about z acheviments of African Americans, I am no racist but many Africans live in constant violation of their rights( ex Sudan, Somalia, chad..) due to a prolonged civil conflicts. This is affirmed and reaffirmed by civil organization who r based in western Hemsphere, one of which is US. Yes we are humans and care about our right but half of African citizens live in chronic misadministration! So I ask u, don’t tell me about HR violation in Africa, I am living it You are hearing about it ok! And like I said homos don’t belong to human race, that is my stand! We r tolerating your dogmatizem, rn’t we? And talking about Imaginative Pathology dosen’t make me stupid, stupid!
Lop – sorry I misunderstood you, I thought you were referring to Africans living in America. I understand what you’re getting at now. Although I disagree with your views on same-sex marriage, I will respect it.
I think that “homosexuals” are just picky. As any “straight” folks will tell you, relationships reveal things to you about yourself, tough things that shape you as a person. I would imagine that the male and female experience are as different as they could be and to truly flower in this life you must embrace that which is different and sacrifice anything for the greater good. I don’t see how shacking up with someone the same as yourself can show you very much. Oh yeah ,, about them being picky, here’s the plan …. Why not have the guys who want men get with manly women ?? Manly women are often attracted to females, and who better for this than those feminine males. Anyone who has a problem with this solution probably works for sex toy industries. Anything for a buck right?? Cuz I give a lot of credit to you “gays” and I think you would be honest about things. It is obvious that when one proclaims their attraction to the same sex its based on their appearances and conduct not the sole fact of whether or not they have the corresponding anatomy.
I just want to throw it out there, to anyone who says that homosexuals CHOOSE to be homosexual, really, really think about it. Think about what homosexuals go through every day. I have seen a video, which still haunts me, of a homosexual man getting beaten and burned alive. You really think that they choose to be that way? Would they not just decide to be straight instead of get discriminated against and beat up?
Also, a homosexual person is not trying to invade someone elses religion just because they want to get married. It simply means they want to share a last name and be viewed as husband and husband or wife and wife, whichever they prefer. Saying homosexuals shouldn’t get married for that reason means that atheists can’t get married, either.
Lastly, does “god” not love all his children? Do you really think that god supports the way homosexuals are treated? I highly doubt it.
Think that one through.
i <3 gays
even though i'm straight ^.^
Let me say this, in response to the religious arguments:
1) Just because you are gay, does not mean you will go to hell.
2) An un-repenting heterosexual who participates in sexual acts outside of the bounds of marriage is just as condemned.
3) Sexuality is sacred, and if it is not between 1 man and 1 woman inside the bounds of marriage, then it is a sin. Sin leads to death.
4) So yes, an un-repenting homosexual will be condemned.
I hate it when people insist so strongly that being gay is a choice when they are not gay themselves. Ask yourselves this: did you choose to be straight? Nope, you were naturally born that way. We’re identical in that. YOU DON’T CHOOSE TO BE GAY. You don’t choose to be ridiculed. You don’t choose to be damned. You don’t coose to be judged. You don’t choose to be bullied. You don’t choose to be outcasted. Why would anyone choose that? I don’t know if that will ever get into some of these heads.
How dare some of you say homosexuality is a horrible thing its not a choice your born that way and also gay property are the universes way of controlling population growth and there were only straight people the work would be way more crowded were here to stay and r just as good as anyone else
we are all equal. for all you homophobics out there, you sound really idiotic. men and women are all human. so who the hell cares if one man loves another man, or a women with another women? love is love. its not about sex. if they want kids, there is adoption. duh. i hate homophobic people.
All I have to say is gay pride! I am a female who is pansexual ad so is my make fiancé! We are proud of who we are and there is NOTHING wrong with us not mental disabilities or any other type of disorderthat bigoted Catholics love to liable us with. I’m tired of our rights being suppressed due to a lack of common sense and the inability for our country’s leader to separate their religious upbringings with politics. Separation of church and state here people. The bible was used to justify that slavery an te second class citizenship of women was acceptable and now in today’s society it was a sin. I can’t wait to love to see the day when suppressing homosexuals is as sinful as slavery or the ill treatment of women. We will have our rights one day an we are prou to be fighting for them now. Chances are there is someone gay in your family or group of good friends! Let it happen. We’re all just people do treat us like equals and stop ignoring the truth! Homosexuality is normal and can even be genetic. If America refuses their rights to us then they refuse twir rights to all!!!
Is being Gay a conscious choice that someone of a sound mind would make?
Just wondering because people talk about it like it is. There is no way you can tell
me that anyone would choose to be Gay it’s not a choice so then you must consider
the possibility that they may have some serious issues.
Religion. Religion is what is stopping us. That is it. RELIGION. RELIGION THIS. RELIGION THAT. Well chew on this. What if people don’t give a crap about God or don’t believe in him?? Why do we have to suffer through YOUR religion??
Here is a poem I found on the internet.
“Gay Marriage
Why do you say that marriage is for
The straight, but not the gay?
You give ‘domestic partnerships’
And assume it’s all okay
Your religion says that homo-
sexuality is wrong
But that’s YOUR religion-is it fair
To drag the rest of us along?
I know you want to be happy-
Don’t you want others to be too?
Then vote pro-marriage and let us ALL
Be just the same as you
Audrey Draven”
You don’t have to like it, I’m not saying that. But please, I BEG YOU, please let us all be able to have marriage as well.
Ok so all of you who are saying being gay,bisexual,or lesbian is a mental disorder then just shut the hell up and leave this website..! For all of you who are saying God made man to be with woman just shut up..! Yes it may be a sin but God forgives all who repent..! Plus God says to love everyone like he loves you..! It don’t matter if they are gay,bisexual,or lesbian..! And all you people who hate gays,bisexuals,and lesbians just remember that we are just like you. If not better. <3
what about the bi sexuals out there? They are caught in between this mess.